Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Calm down Thanos. Hold your horses agent smith. All life on earth has had an effect on the earth. Oxygen was a trace element but then rapidly increased due to the increase in photosynthetic flora. This is a presumed cause of the first ice age. The earth has no steady state over time. It’s one giant feedback loop, the earth in its varying trajectories affecting life and life affecting the earth. Then there’s the odd asteroid level extinction event. Humans are a problem, but hoping for a worldwide genocide is not really a helpful solution. And it won’t happen anyway. If the worst predictions come true the rich will survive.
archer22 wrote: » Talking about simple things that can be done to help...one never mentioned is if Farmers simply stopped flail mowing their hedgerows down to skeletons. Nothing can survive through the winter in these hedge remnants and there is no food berries or nothing of value left in them. This is one of the big causes of bird decline in Ireland...and I can't see what logic there is in any sense to cut hedges like that. It even deprives the farm animals of shelter from cold winds and rain.
Silent Running wrote: » I'm certainly not hoping for genocide, and the rich might survive, for a while. Remember "rich" is a human concept. A climate that doesn't support human life doesn't give a shit about the rich. Take a longer view. In the full history of time we, as a species, are but a blink of an eye. It would be supreme hubris to think everything revolves around whether we survive or not. When our blink of an eye is over, something else will prevail. What we have done with our actions to date doesn't really matter. Unless we make MASSIVE change to our way of doing things from today on, we will be gone sooner rather than later. There is no appetite to make the necessary changes (leave fossil fuels in the ground, move to a plant based diet, stop destroying the planet's lungs, etc) so it's hard to see a positive outcome. Ah sure climate change is all a conspiracy. It'll be grand. :rolleyes:
JeffKenna wrote: » Vegans have a lot to answer for here. Forests are being cut down on mass to make room for soy plantations in South America.
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » Of course, we want animals as food, but even worldwide, that doesnt add up to many varieties, and farming them is the way anyway. Obviously, some should be preserved in the likes of zoos etc, and bees or other insects have a role in pollenation, the food chain, and the general ecosystem. But loads of them could probably still be lost yet, and there be no impact. 60% is a headline grabbing figure, but even if it were 95%, would it matter much ?
wexie wrote: » While I broadly understand the economics behind all of it I still think it is complete and utter madness that it can be economically viable to import a by product from halfway across the world, to feed animals we breed here, for them to be slaughtered and them exported elsewhere.... That just doesn't make any sense if you think about it.
green shoots wrote: » Can we all commit to not buying useless plastic crap at Xmas time? All those miniature pool tables and inflatable zimmerframes you buy in Tiger are just going to end up in the sea or in a landfill for 1000s of years. Urgh.
tigger123 wrote: » Unless it was Travellers that did it, no one in After Hours cares.
The masterminds behind a £57million plot to steal rhino horn and rare artefacts to smuggle to China are part of a £100million worldwide crime syndicate linked to a small Irish town almost entirely owned by travellers.
green shoots wrote: » I'm pretty sure most of it's been used for meat production unfortunately, you can't blame the vegans here.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Surely if soy is part of the problem then Veganism is part of the problem.
Avoiding meat and dairy products is the single biggest way to reduce your environmental impact on the planet, according to the scientists behind the most comprehensive analysis to date of the damage farming does to the planet
Mooooo wrote: » Majority of soy is grown to produce vegetable oil, the leftover meal and hulls are used for animal feed then.
green shoots wrote: » There is more damage done to the environment by cattle farming and beef production than just the land it takes up. Animal waste, effects on wildlife etc. Our rivers are being contaminated by farmers time and time again. Have a quick google to see how regular occurring this is. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production I think we should look at reforesting some of our lands in Ireland, maybe paying beef farmers to tend to them. But that's never going to happen really is it? What TD would say anything bad about beef production in Ireland? Political suicide.
green shoots wrote: » I'm not really sure what you're trying to do here, but I'll go with the experts on this one.
green shoots wrote: » Not according to Yale Soybean meal has become a predominant feedstock for poultry and livestock, accounting for 67% of consumption of global soy production. globalforestatlas.yale.edu/land-use/industrial-agriculture/soy-agriculture
Mooooo wrote: » I can't seem to get in to those links. It has become a feedstock because in an individual plant approx 20% is oil content, the remaining 80% is the leftover meal and hulls which are sent for animal feed., the vegetable oil is in in thousands of different processed products. For pigs and poultry it is more common but grass based livestock it is unlikely to make up 1% of the diet.
green shoots wrote: » Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a Meat V Vegan argument. I'm no expert in these things but the general consensus now seems to be that moving to a more plant based diet is healthier for the environment. Whether that's more true in some countries rather than others I don't know, but across the world we would be better off, cutting down at least.
green shoots wrote: » I just wish people were a bit more mindful when buying things. There's absolutely no reason for bottled water to exist in this country for e.g. Fresh sell f**king Fiji water, water imported all the way from the middle of the Pacific.
green shoots wrote: » It wont let paste links. Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a Meat V Vegan argument. I'm no expert in these things but the general consensus now seems to be that moving to a more plant based diet is healthier for the environment. Whether that's more true in some countries rather than others I don't know, but across the world we would be better off, cutting down at least. I just wish people were a bit more mindful when buying things. There's absolutely no reason for bottled water to exist in this country for e.g. Fresh sell f**king Fiji water, water imported all the way from the middle of the Pacific.
wexie wrote: » While I'm quite happy to accept that I think it's important to point out that this is not because of the act of eating meat, it's because how we produce our meat ie. factory farming, importing animal feeds etc. etc. shipping animals all over the place.
green shoots wrote: » I just think we need to reduce our intake, that's all. And stop buying so much plastic crap.
green shoots wrote: » I wish a store opened here where you could buy everything packaging free. I'm sick to death of all the stuff I get through even when being mindful of it.
wexie wrote: » Yup, couldn't agree more. And then be more mindful of how what we do consume is produced. Ironically enough I'd say that H&S policies have probably made that entirely impossible....
facehugger99 wrote: » So basically, it sounds like we're winning?
green shoots wrote: » Winning what?
