Mountainsandh wrote: » Nahh. I think Barb and Scott know exactly what happened. And Bobby. Brendan probably has a foggy idea of the whole thing, highly likely that Barb manipulates what Brendan has to understand and how much he should understand. The whole family is rotten, maybe except for the old parents. All the children, and their children are accusing each other of things, they all have previous convictions for abusive behaviour and such. I'd say they all just have issues, and are not very smart, so it's a constant back and forth of emotional blackmail. Barb and Scott took it a whole gigantic step further by framing Steven, instead of one of their children getting caught for the murder (Bobby). Then when the computer was being looked at, they probably thought the least likely to get in trouble in the family would be Brendan, so they hung him up instead of Bobby. The police are possibly aware of all these goings on behind the scenes, and indicated somehow that they would play along. Picking on Steven suited them. I wouldn't be surprised if Steven had some kind of involvement in the thing, like maybe he knew Bobby was after her and said nothing. The bottom line really should be that if it is indeed Bobby who murdered Teresa, then himself, Barb and Scott should fall, not Steven and Brendan.
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » I honestly believe the only person who knows what fully happened is Avery. Dassey was probably told by Avery it was an accident and he needed Brendan’s help cleaning up the crime scene. Dassey is so stupid it probably only hit him a few days later what actually happened. He had no idea the hole he was digging himself into while being interviewed. I feel sorry for him tbh but it was right he got sent to prison, not for life though. You stated in an earlier post if you took Avery out of this case there are still question marks regarding the evidence. I strongly disagree. The whole settlement Avery was looking to cash in on is the key to believing he is innocent. But to think the cops would kill an innocent woman, then plant her burnt remains under Avery’s nose is beyond preposterous.
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » A lot of people think that’s how it happened. Just a quick google brings up this YouTube video, check the comments too.https://youtu.be/AKZIR04AB9s
8-10 wrote: » Did anyone suggest that the cops killed her? I don't think either side would agree that that likely happened.
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » But to think the cops would kill an innocent woman, then plant her burnt remains under Avery’s nose is beyond preposterous.
The Nal wrote: » Is there anything more pathetic than the people who campaigned for Averys released based on the documentary? What a bunch of losers.
Maxpfizer wrote: » Do you think Dassey's confession is the actual story of what happened? The analogy doesn't work because in this case you'd be looking at a situation where there is circumstantial evidence that it rained BUT ALSO circumstantial evidence that the water was poured everywhere by someone else. Is it outside the realms of possibility that she showed up on their land and Avery killed her? I think it's possible. I certainly haven't seen anything to convince me that he definitely didn't do it. On the other side there are so many niggling doubts. The cops had motive. That's undeniable. That's one of the things we'd look for right? Did anyone out there have a motive for potentially planting evidence to make sure Avery went away? The DNA evidence is suspicious. How the RAV4 ended up where it did is suspicious. Brendan D's story of what happened is highly questionable. Almost every bit of evidence in this case has some kind of BS surrounding it. From the coroner not being allowed to access the crime scene to other suspects not being considered at all. They were breaking protocol and acting shady from day one here. So what are we saying here? He did do it but not in the way the prosecution say he did it but that's fine because in the end they got the right guy? So, I'll ask again, do you think Dassey's confession is the actual story of what happened that day?
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » Listen you’re playing to the masses. There’s isn’t a person in here who believes the US Justice system is perfect. That’s why documentary or no documentary everyone should research cases themselves. Avery is guilty, Dassey is an idiot who just did what his uncle told him to do. There’s so much circumstantial evidence against Avery the only thing missing is a video of him committing the murder. Most murder cases are solved by confessions and circumstantial evidence. In regards the circumstantial evidence let me put it this way, if I woke up in the morning and went outside and seen puddles of water everywhere and my car was wet, I would say well it rained, Avery supporters would say the cops come with buckets of water in the middle of the night and poured them everywhere.
Maxpfizer wrote: » Is the point of the documentary really to show that Avery is innocent though? Even taking Avery out of the equation it still looks like every piece of evidence in the case has a massive question mark looming over it. I think at the very least we could say that the story presented by the prosecution is not the way things went down? Do you really believe that Brendan Dassey's confession is entirely 100% true? I get that you think Avery did it and I'm not convinced that he didn't myself. However, the documentary quite clearly exposes some worrying behavior from law enforcement and the prosecution and the 2nd season exposes some troubling actions from those even higher up in the system. If behaviors like this are a trend in the the US system then it's likely that there are many innocent folks out there in prisons for crimes they did not commit. After a point the question of Avery's guilt or innocence becomes secondary to the fact that the whole system is corrupt and those with power are frequently abusing that power. Making a Murderer exposes some of these worrying trends.
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » You mean facts? The show is made by a couple of hacks who don’t care about the truth or facts. I have said it before I would love a talented documentary maker like Errol Morris or Werner Herzog to make a documentary about this case. Just go watch The Thin Blue Line by Morris, absolutely amazing and led to an innocent man being released from prison.
runningbuddy wrote: » The fact that SA served 18 years for a crime he did not commit is a travesty. For him and also, the real rapist was free to commit the same crime again. Just my opinion, MAM is extremely biased in favour of SA.
marklazarcovic wrote: » Maybe someone should make a show about all that so, because mam is about something else,he did 18 yrs for nothing ,seems to be forgotten too.actually he did 18 yrs because he was set up...more to the point.
runningbuddy wrote: » I enjoy MAM (1&2). However, I hate that fact that it is totally unbiased against SA and BD. SA is a pretty unsavoury character, (yes, I know this doesn't mean he killed TH). He was jailed for abusing an animal. He was 18 at the time and not "just a kid" as was pointed out. He himself tried to blame this on "hanging out with the wrong crowd". He ran a woman off the road and threatened her with a gun. A court issued an order barring him from seeing his children. He has admitted abusing his ex wife and small children. Numerous underage female relatives of Avery have accused him of rape. A lot of this is just glossed over in the Documentary.
Mam of 4 wrote: » The more you hear/read on this , the more sense (some!) of it makes . I agree with you , Barb definitely emotionally blackmails Steven , for whatever reason that may be . Yes he is no Saint , not by a long shot , but I don't think he's guilty of TH murder. . Bobby , what if he had her , either in his car or her jeep , when he met Scott near Scotts house ? And as you say , Scott and maybe Barb covered it up and framed Steven , and poor Brendan just got caught up in the whole thing , I don't think Barb thought he'd be convicted of anything . Scott is sly , and hates Steven with a passion, so he definitely doesn't want any further investigation into anything , in case he's released .
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » At least myself and a lot of others choose to remember the real victim today without having to throw in ‘ her poor family must be going through hell’ like you care one bit. The Halbachs fully believe the case is over, the killer was caught and Netflix are milking it for all the money they can make so what are you on about?
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » Well then let’s just think about this lady on the anniversary of her murder. Because she seems to be ignored for the most part by most people, bar her family of course. Let’s not forget today is a horrible day for them while we can just simply thank a post and forget about Teresa practically straight away. Throwing in her family is going through hell because there hasn’t been full disclosure, when in fact they believe the right men were caught is bang out of order.
Mountainsandh wrote: » There's no need for virtue signalling, from either side. You're indulging in a bit of that yourself above. All people here and elsewhere discussing the case and the program know about Teresa, and I'm pretty sure all feel sad that a young lady with a lot of promise was murdered.
Mountainsandh wrote: » I'm kind of thinking now the jail thing could be that she was suspected of having sex with Brendan, or abusing her kids in general, I mean, this was mentioned in the phonecall... and I agree, she is lying, and she is totally on the defensive. And the emotional blackmail, you won't have a sister anymore, that kind of stuff, that's how she got Steven to keep quiet on some things up to then. She knows either Bobby or Scott did it. I think now too, that if Bobby did it and Scott and Barb found out, then Scott would have acted out to help Bobby, he seems to hate Steven so much anyway, he wouldn't give a toss about him. And then you'd wonder about Brendan...
Mam of 4 wrote: » And Steven said the hospital would have a record if he was there with his mother or not . Am open to correction on this , but I think he's right in that nurses write in the notes - Mrs Z's son Scott was visiting , for example . I know it used to be done . There was a lot on that phone call tbh , why would Barb have been thrown in jail if she didn't leave her house? Why was she insisting she didn't have internet when she did ? It seems like she knows a LOT more than she's letting on and is willing for Steven to pay the price for her not telling what she knows . Just my thinking on it though
Uncharted wrote: » Of course it was...... You're right about everything on this thread. We all know that. :rolleyes:
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » Your post was actually the most disgusting post I have read in this thread.
