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Incompetence and corruption rewarded - Nóirín O'Sullivan appointed to UN role

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https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1031/1007845-noirin-osullivan/?fbclid=IwAR3jjk46M58hZXCHHFCdV8BigZkR_GA6iW9nKf9xzWK2-az7mCOoNWPjMDs

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Graniteville

Odhinn wrote: »

Or those who couldn't get missing mobile phones. Or get a decent percentage of Gardai they contacted to respond.

The problem is too many people believe what is written in the media especially tabloids and they believe it without question.

If you checked the real story of the "missing" phones you'll find that phones were upgraded and the previous phones were just put aside somewhere and forgotten about.

So it's not as the tabloids would want you to believe that phones got lost everywhere, but obsolete phones were simply not kept stored away and there was no specific direction to keep them.

Tabloids never tell the real truth

facehugger99

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

i think she is a vile and vindictive cow who conspired with others to destroy a good mans reputation and family.

I love living in a world where people feelings are given as much weight as facts.

Wheeliebin30

Jesus why don’t we forget about the court of law and tribunals.

The people of boards have decided she is a baby eater.

KaneToad

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

... i think she is a vile and vindictive cow who conspired with others to destroy a good mans reputation and family...:

Your thoughts V's the findings of Judge & tribunal.
I'm probably going to go with the latter.

archer22

Noirin knew nothing bout nothing and TUSLA made an honest mistake.

Yeah that's easy to swallow alright :rolleyes:

Allinall

archer22 wrote: »

Noirin knew nothing bout nothing and TUSLA made an honest mistake.

Yeah that's easy to swallow alright :rolleyes:

Who ever said that, anywhere?

KaneToad

What do the conspiracy theorists think about McCabes post report statement:

Sgt McCabe says he accepts the finding in the tribunal report that there was no evidence that the former Garda Commissioner Noirin O'Sullivan and senior gardaí were engaged in a campaign against him at the O'Higgins Commission of Investigation.

"I accept that finding, but it's a pity that she didn't say that to me back at the O'Higgins Commission, or meet with me when this all arose. But I accept the finding."

KaneToad

archer22 wrote: »

...TUSLA made an honest mistake.

Yeah that's easy to swallow alright :rolleyes:

Do you think that TUSLA were in cahoots with the guards??

The tribunal comprehensively found otherwise.

professore

Fully exonerated rugby player ... career and reputation destroyed and pay all costs.
Fully exonerated Garda commissioner .... full pension, and cushy job in the UN.

[Deleted User]

KaneToad wrote: »

What do the conspiracy theorists think about McCabes post report statement:

Sgt McCabe says he accepts the finding in the tribunal report that there was no evidence that the former Garda Commissioner Noirin O'Sullivan and senior gardaí were engaged in a campaign against him at the O'Higgins Commission of Investigation.

"I accept that finding, but it's a pity that she didn't say that to me back at the O'Higgins Commission, or meet with me when this all arose. But I accept the finding."

Why was Noirin stand-offish?

[Deleted User]

Not sure what the big deal here is - isn't a promotion what happens every senior political appointee when they fail?

Perhaps Phil Hogan or Pee Flynn could throw light on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORNfD8e_sk

professore

archer22 wrote: »

Noirin knew nothing bout nothing and TUSLA made an honest mistake.

Yeah that's easy to swallow alright :rolleyes:

Someone committed character assassination here. There is NO WAY this was an honest mistake. If it was their vetting procedures for what constitutes a genuine report are appalling and should call into question ANY of their findings. The average Joe should be very afraid of false accusations if this was a "mistake".

KaneToad

Deleted User wrote: »

Why was Noirin stand-offish?

Who knows...
Why am I a pri(k on occasion...

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure what the big deal here is - isn't a promotion what happens every senior political appointee when they fail?

Perhaps Phil Hogan or Pee Flynn could throw light on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORNfD8e_sk

An oldie but goodie, the golden circle remains intact.

professore

Graniteville wrote: »

The problem is too many people believe what is written in the media especially tabloids and they believe it without question.

If you checked the real story of the "missing" phones you'll find that phones were upgraded and the previous phones were just put aside somewhere and forgotten about.

So it's not as the tabloids would want you to believe that phones got lost everywhere, but obsolete phones were simply not kept stored away and there was no specific direction to keep them.

Tabloids never tell the real truth

They find it easy to believe because of the litany of coverups and scandals such as the McBreartys, the fake breath tests, the Ian Bailey case, everything around the church abuse scandals in which the Gardai actively colluded in the past etc etc. Really O'Sullivan was a "nothing to see here, business as usual" appointee. This new guy seems to be a different kettle of fish altogether. I for one welcome him.

KaneToad

professore wrote: »

Someone committed character assassination here. There is NO WAY this was an honest mistake. If it was their vetting procedures for what constitutes a genuine report are appalling and should call into question ANY of their findings. The average Joe should be very afraid of false accusations if this was a "mistake".

How many times do TUSLA make a balls of a file? I would wager that it's more often than you might think. A July 2018 article states that almost 5,000 children are waiting to be assigned a social worker by TUSLA. Sounds like an agency under stress. This is when corners are cut and mistakes made. The McCabe mistake has probably been replicated before and since...but the repercussions were not as far reaching.

Am puzzled as to why TUSLA would have it in for McCabe??

professore

KaneToad wrote: »

How many times do TUSLA make a balls of a file? I would wager that it's more often than you might think. A July 2018 article states that almost 5,000 children are waiting to be assigned a social worker by TUSLA. Sounds like an agency under stress. This is when corners are cut and mistakes made. The McCabe mistake has probably been replicated before and since...but the repercussions were not as far reaching.

Am puzzled as to why TUSLA would have it in for McCabe??

Do I have to spell it out? A senior garda figure - or someone acting under instruction from the figure - goes to TUSLA and says "Here is a report of a known child abuser. Take action".

If they are so under stress it seems they were able to react very fast to this one particular case. Why was that, I wonder?

Who made the report?

crusier

We love to see people taken down from high places in Ireland, right or wrong. She was exonerated after being forced out of her job unnecessarily. Someone else has recognised that there's a top class candidate available and have snapped her up. We now have a commissioner who's personal security alone over the next 5 years is estimated at 1.7 million on top of the new wage rise for the job. He may well be what's needed but it seems we lost a perfectly good commissioner to take the heat of a government.

Sycamore Tree

What kind of naïve simpletons defend O'Sullivan?

She was sitting right beside Callinan when he said whistleblowers were disgusting. I don't recall her objecting.

She also lost a number of mobile phones at a crucial time

Opposition TDs last night demanded an explanation from Ms O'Sullivan as to how crucial evidence sought by the Disclosures Tribunal appears to be no longer in existence.

Sources confirmed that Ms O'Sullivan has been unable to furnish Mr Justice Peter Charleton with a smartphone she used since her appointment. A mobile phone device belonging to former Garda commissioner Martin Callinan is also missing.

I believe she lost or wiped 5 phones in total.

professore

crusier wrote: »

Someone else has recognised that there's a top class candidate available and have snapped her up.

What did she do to get to the root of the smear campaign against McCabe? Which Gardai were fired? Singled out?

ANDREWMUFC

Noirin o suilivan Corrupt ugly witch

professore

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

What kind of naïve simpletons defend O'Sullivan?

She was sitting right beside Callinan when he said whistleblowers were disgusting. I don't recall her objecting.

She also lost a number of mobile phones at a crucial time

I believe she lost or wiped 5 phones in total.

I would bet they are members themselves. I admire their loyalty but in reality she did nothing other than defend the status quo. It's unfortunate as there are some wonderful Gardai - but this kind of thing really brings the whole force into disrepute. If you can't have a high level of trust in the police force, this is a serious problem for democracy.

crusier

professore wrote:

What did she do to get to the root of the smear campaign against McCabe? Which Gardai were fired? Singled out?

It took a tribunal to do that, callinan was retired when she got the job.

crusier

ANDREWMUFC wrote:

Noirin o suilivan Corrupt ugly witch

Are you just in the door from tricker treating?

[Deleted User]

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Noirin o suilivan Corrupt ugly witch

It would be nice if we could have a single thread in After Hours about a prominent woman without somebody bringing in her looks. If there's not enough negative stuff to use against a woman without bringing that in, perhaps they aren't that bad?

professore

crusier wrote: »

It took a tribunal to do that, callinan was retired when she got the job.

I can find no record of O'Sullivan ever meeting McCabe one to one or doing any investigation of any sort into his allegations, or the smear campaign against him. When she was appointed it was clear this had been going on for some time already and that he was not some crackpot.
You would think this is the first thing she would do in her three years as Garda Commissioner. Instead she circled the wagons to protect her corrupt colleagues. Sorry she was a terrible commissioner. Very similar ethos to the Catholic Church and the abuse and mother and baby home allegations.

professore

Deleted User wrote: »

It would be nice if we could have a single thread in After Hours about a prominent woman without somebody bringing in her looks. If there's not enough negative stuff to use against a woman without bringing that in, perhaps they aren't that bad?

For the record, Martin Callinan was worse, and he's ugly too

KaneToad

professore wrote: »

Do I have to spell it out? A senior garda figure - or someone acting under instruction from the figure - goes to TUSLA and says "Here is a report of a known child abuser. Take action".

I think you're venturing into tinfoil hat territory...

There is no evidence that this happened. I like to deal with the facts. You just seem to offer up your personal opinions.

KaneToad

professore wrote: »

Who made the report?

Appearing before the Tribunal last year a local social worker described how she had created the report about the alleged incident of sexual abuse involving McCabe and amalgamated two separate and unrelated incidents into a single report. Gardaí, the tribunal was told, hadn’t responded to queries as to whether the allegations were the ones that had been investigated years earlier.

The social worker said she only realised two weeks before the tribunal began that she had made a “catastrophic” mistake by making the files – no-one had contacted her after Tusla was alerted to the error in May 2014.

professore

KaneToad wrote: »

I think you're venturing into tinfoil hat territory...

There is no evidence that this happened. I like to deal with the facts. You just seem to offer up your personal opinions.

Saying that nothing untoward happened with TUSLA and it was an honest mistake is so unlikely on the balance of probabilities as to beggar belief. Something in the same realm as a house is robbed and the exact items that were stolen were found in a known criminals house the next day and he just happened to buy them in a shop. Sure it could be true, but it's extremely unlikely? Maybe you couldn't PROVE it in a court of law but it's very unlikely. IT certainly warranted a forensic criminal investigation. Not hanging round until a tribunal was forced upon them.

The FACTS we do know already paint a bleak picture of her not wanting to rock the boat and having zero interest in investigating the real allegations against poor practices. That says enough.