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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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Stevek101 wrote: »

Probably no point in painting the full thing if the livery is changing in January.

True, assuming they are going to pay to have them painted then.

sjb25

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cityjet RJ is out with EI decals on it. It looks terrible. Small Aerlingus on forward fuselage and green shamrock placed well forward on vertical stabiliser clear of rudder.

Here she is not my photo seen on Facebook

vectorvictor

sjb25 wrote: »

Here she is not my photo seen on Facebook

They really pulled out all the stops!

EchoIndia

Very similar to this, dating from 2000:

G-BPNT BAe146-200 by Irish251, on Flickr

billy few mates

It makes perfect sense to use the exact same paint or livery scheme from the old commuter days. Paint jobs are technically a modification and it costs a fortune to produce an approved paint scheme or drawing. It makes perfect sense to reuse the approved paint scheme they already own with slight modifications than pay a paint facility or Part 21 organisation to draw up a new one.

L1011

billy few mates wrote: »

It makes perfect sense to use the exact same paint or livery scheme from the old commuter days. Paint jobs are technically a modification and it costs a fortune to produce an approved paint scheme or drawing. It makes perfect sense to reuse the approved paint scheme they already own with slight modifications than pay a paint facility or Part 21 organisation to draw up a new one.

Which wasn't that one - the white one was a temp from Flightline; the main fleet had the normal paint scheme. There's three of them in the background of that photo (and a Fokker 50 in the full scheme also)

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billy few mates wrote: »

It makes perfect sense to use the exact same paint or livery scheme from the old commuter days. Paint jobs are technically a modification and it costs a fortune to produce an approved paint scheme or drawing. It makes perfect sense to reuse the approved paint scheme they already own with slight modifications than pay a paint facility or Part 21 organisation to draw up a new one.

They equally could have used this one

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/British_Aerospace_BAe-146-300%2C_Aer_Lingus_AN0409141.jpg/800px-British_Aerospace_BAe-146-300%2C_Aer_Lingus_AN0409141.jpg

sparrowcar

Shn99

It’s a temporary livery and will be painted in February, was rushed as aircraft had tech issues. One went to NWI but had to return.

vectorvictor

Shn99 wrote: »

, was rushed as aircraft had tech issues

Oh the shock!

How many are needed to maintain the schedule and how many are being painted?

These dogs need 4 aircraft to maintain a 2 aircraft schedule which I doubt is planned for so I'm sure Cityjet branded aircraft will be appearing on EI services with some degree of regularity

L1011

vectorvictor wrote: »

Oh the shock!

How many are needed to maintain the schedule and how many are being painted?

These dogs need 4 aircraft to maintain a 2 aircraft schedule which I doubt is planned for so I'm sure Cityjet branded aircraft will be appearing on EI services with some degree of regularity

I would expect all non Air France branded aircraft (for the what, one? rotation a day they do) to be painted white when the brand is dead to consumers.

vectorvictor

L1011 wrote: »

I would expect all non Air France branded aircraft (for the what, one? rotation a day they do) to be painted white when the brand is dead to consumers.

I didn't know that they were doing so little for AF now. Is that just on the RJ or fleet wide ?

L1011

vectorvictor wrote: »

I didn't know that they were doing so little for AF now. Is that just on the RJ or fleet wide ?

The AF flights are all RJ. The SSJs are either in Brussels Airlines paint or are used for charters where the Cityjet paint is OK. The RJs are mostly used for long term wet/damp leases - AF, KL, EI now - where it isn't.

Mebuntu

The Privilege 763 was back in Dublin today to operate EI139 to Boston departing an hour late.

The previously hired in (since last Thursday 25th) Titan 752 doesn't appear to have done any flying since.

LXFlyer

vectorvictor wrote: »

I didn't know that they were doing so little for AF now. Is that just on the RJ or fleet wide ?

It appears to be down to zero in the new winter schedule with all AF flights from Dublin operated by Air France or Hop!

kevinandrew

The temporary livery is ugly and disappointing but I understand the reasoning behind it, the new livery is just around the corner at this point. The Shamrock on the tail is awkwardly placed but that can't be helped with it being a decal, spreading it across the rudder would have been very difficult and made it far more likely to peel off more quickly.

I just hope the new livery is worth the wait, it's going to need to look good on everything from the ATR and Avro to the A320 and A330 fleet, something the current livery does very well!

Tenger

L1011 wrote: »

Which wasn't that one - the white one was a temp from Flightline; the main fleet had the normal paint scheme. There's three of them in the background of that photo (and a Fokker 50 in the full scheme also)

I assume it was a rush job (similar to the intitial B767/B757 leases recently) and happens to be cheaper than a full repaint.

I remember those Flightline machines. I was with EI at the time but managed to avoid operating on them.

dfx-

There was a very unusual visitor to Birmingham on the midday and very late DUB-BHX-DUB services a couple of days ago, EI-CPE.

It got me thinking are A321s spare or what do they do? I thought they do LHR or LGW, but looking at Flightradar, they're all over the place and now I think of it, I rarely have seen them around in DUB in the last year.

blackwhite

Was on one of the 321s for the afternoon Malaga flight at start of Oct.

kevinandrew

The A321's are still based in Dublin, they usually frequent Rome, Malaga and Faro but can be found in the Canaries and other sun spots. It's very, very rare to see them LHR these days they do pop up at LGW now and again.

kevinandrew

I doubt new A321s will ever be part of a short haul fleet renewal either, the trend within Europe is too configure them with up to 240 seats, there is is limited demand within the Aer Lingus network for that kind of capacity outside the peak summer travel months.

A320s at 180 seats seems like a more realistic option for Aer Lingus if and when a short haul fleet renewal is on the cards.

john boye

The 321s turned up on some unusual routes over the last few days, possibly due to the summer season ending? I got one to LGW the other morning and they also rocked up on FRA, BRU, AMS and others. I'm guessing their use will decrease now for the winter months

goingnowhere

A321 go where needed, so thats mainly heavy demand sun routes and in the winter ski charters. Typically they take a break around now as there is a planned effort to minimise cycles.

There are 12 A321NEO LR's on order which will be running some EU flights in addition to the TATL services.

Mebuntu

The previously hired in (since last Thursday 25th) Titan 752 doesn't appear to have done any flying since.

It was flown back to STN last night without having done any flying for the four days it was at DUB.

joeysoap

I was on a 321 to Faro last week, 1730 ex dub. No toasties, sandwiches, baguettes or wraps left by time the cart reached my row (row 31, cart serving the rear. Staff were friendly and apologetic, said it was full on the return leg, and they would just have to explain there was no fresh food left.

Locker10a

joeysoap wrote: »

I was on a 321 to Faro last week, 1730 ex dub. No toasties, sandwiches, baguettes or wraps left by time the cart reached my row (row 31, cart serving the rear. Staff were friendly and apologetic, said it was full on the return leg, and they would just have to explain there was no fresh food left.

What a joke, this was a major problem at EI about 2 years ago, loading less than 10 of each sandwich for return flights obviously they’re going to run out. It’s a cost saving measure to far in my opinion, it teaches “guests” a memorable lesson, “next time I’ll pick up a sandwich in boots” .
So in the end EI with their penny pinching are shooting themseles in the foot, and will lose revenue and drive people to just buy their own sandwiches in the terminal.

California Dreamer

Locker10a wrote: »

What a joke, this was a major problem at EI about 2 years ago, loading less than 10 of each sandwich for return flights obviously they’re going to run out. It’s a cost saving measure to far in my opinion, it teaches “guests” a memorable lesson, “next time I’ll pick up a sandwich in boots” .
So in the end EI with their penny pinching are shooting themseles in the foot, and will lose revenue and drive people to just buy their own sandwiches in the terminal.

BUT think of the fuel they will save with carrying less weight!!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

trellheim

I'm always perplexed by this - why not load more food at the outstation - most spanish airports e.g. Murcia and the like the food choice is terrible and people will buy a ham and cheese sambo if its there at a ferocious markup

vectorvictor

I think the catering stock problem is largely down to EI trying to manage it themselves. BA are another cereal offender (see what I did there)

Other lcc's are provided by a vendor where the carrier provides a platform to sell in return for commission. The third parties hunger for sales (boom!) rarely sees stock problems

billy few mates

Better to upset the passengers by not having the chicken and stuffing sandwiches from their menu than upsetting them by offering scaldy old ham and cheese sandwiches of an unknown standard from down route caterers...