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After Hours Presidential Election Poll

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The polls are pretty one sided so far but let's see where the good people of After Hours stand a week out from the election....

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AudreyHepburn

tom1ie wrote: »

Nope. Poster is exercising their democratic right.
Wasting a vote would be not turning up or spoiling that vote.
You seem confused.

The only thing that confuses me is why anyone would think making one outspoken statement, true though it is, is a good enough reason to make a man the president.

Yes he said what we all think but there’s nothing he can actually do about it if he’s elected.

Deebles McBeebles

His green card was discussed on the debate last night. He is in the process of giving it up and said his tax requirements are met, here and abroad. None of the other candidates questioned any of that.

BailMeOut

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

His green card was discussed on the debate last night. He is in the process of giving it up and said his tax requirements are met, here and abroad. None of the other candidates questioned any of that.

ok fair enough. So sounds like he has only been resident here recently. (returned emigrant).

If he loses I wonder will he continue with the process of giving up the green card?!

tom1ie

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

The only thing that confuses me is why anyone would think making one outspoken statement, true though it is, is a good enough reason to make a man the president.

Yes he said what we all think but there’s nothing he can actually do about it if he’s elected.

Yeah I understand what your saying, but the problem is people are so sick of the situation at the moment we see Casey as a change from the norm.
It’s true he might not be able to change anything, maybe he could apply pressure on the government some way by refusing to sign bills and sending them over for judicial review I don’t know.
Your next retort will be to say if your not happy vote out your tds, but the problem is there are no tds with the same ideas as Casey.
If Casey gets in or even gets a big vote it might get people that have kept certain views quiet, due to fear of the pc brigade, to break rank and speak out about the welfare state that has been created.
Casey could be the spark that changes this, elected or not.

elperello

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

The only thing that confuses me is why anyone would think making one outspoken statement, true though it is, is a good enough reason to make a man the president.

Yes he said what we all think but there’s nothing he can actually do about it if he’s elected.

Imagine if all the candidates took that line.
We'd be as well off picking a President by the colour of their eyes.

Deebles McBeebles

BailMeOut wrote: »

ok fair enough. So sounds like he has only been resident here recently. (returned emigrant).

If he loses I wonder will he continue with the process of giving up the green card?!

I would guess not because why would he give it up in that case? Don't know the ins and outs of it myself, just happened to catch that info last night.

AudreyHepburn

tom1ie wrote: »

Yeah I understand what your saying, but the problem is people are so sick of the situation at the moment we see Casey as a change from the norm.
It’s true he might not be able to change anything, maybe he could apply pressure on the government some way by refusing to sign bills and sending them over for judicial review I don’t know.
Your next retort will be to say if your not happy vote out your tds, but the problem is there are no tds with the same ideas as Casey.
If Casey gets in or even gets a big vote it might get people that have kept certain views quiet, due to fear of the pc brigade, to break rank and speak out about the welfare state that has been created.
Casey could be the spark that changes this, elected or not.

There are plenty of things that need changing, I agree with you.

But I don’t see how it’s Michael D’s fault. His is a ceremonial position - he hasn’t got the power to make those changes and I’m sorry to repeat myself but neither will Casey no matter how much you try to pretend he will.

You’re right - the proper way to enact those changes is at the polls during the next General Election, not by ousting a perfectly good president who hasn’t actually done anything wrong and replacing him with a man who made one outspoken statement.

Deebles McBeebles

elperello wrote: »

Imagine if all the candidates took that line.
We'd be as well off picking a President by the colour of their eyes.

We should pick the Pres by thinking "what would the Serbian team think of he/she next time we play them at the Aviva".

Currently I would guess they would wonder what terrible accident has befallen this poor silver-haired child.

BailMeOut

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I would guess not because why would he give it up in that case? Don't know the ins and outs of it myself, just happened to catch that info last night.

well the difference is that he would have not been truthful. There is no "process" as such for giving it up as you just go to embassy or to emigration at an airport and hand in the card and sign a form. Sound better however than saying that he will only hand it back if he wins!

tom1ie

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There are plenty of things that need changing, I agree with you.

But I don’t see how it’s Michael D’s fault. His is a ceremonial position - he hasn’t got the power to make those changes and I’m sorry to repeat myself but neither will Casey no matter how much you try to pretend he will.

You’re right - the proper way to enact those changes is at tmhe polls during the next General Election, not by ousting a perfectly good president who hasn’t actually done anything wrong and replacing him with a man who made one outspoken statement.

But again, there’s no hope of changing anything at the general election poles as at the moment there is no alternative.
The hope is Casey’s strong showing (I don’t think he’ll get in but I’m voting for him) will empower people with an alternative view to run for election. If people such as Casey ran for election they would easily get in.
That in a nutshell is why I’m voting for him.

ELM327

tom1ie wrote: »

But again, there’s no hope of changing anything at the general election poles as at the moment there is no alternative.
The hope is Casey’s strong showing (I don’t think he’ll get in but I’m voting for him) will empower people with an alternative view to run for election. If people such as Casey ran for election they would easily get in.
That in a nutshell is why I’m voting for him.

Fellow casey voter here
Didnt he get 16 total votes when he ran before?

weldoninhio

Some great ideas out of him this morning. Bring in something like the GI bill to get houses up and help people buy them.

Follow New Zealand’s example and block non-residents from buying property, stopping vulture funds from buying up swathes of properties.

weldoninhio

BailMeOut wrote: »

well the difference is that he would have not been truthful. There is no "process" as such for giving it up as you just go to embassy or to emigration at an airport and hand in the card and sign a form. Sound better however than saying that he will only hand it back if he wins!

You’ve to make an appointment and meet with the embassy. I’d imagine that’s what he was talking about. He likely has his appointment in those few days.

4068ac1elhodqr

PC is now the firm 2nd Fav,
and since the weekend has moved from 100, 80, 66, 40, 34 and generally now around 20/1.

super_furry

weldoninhio wrote: »

Some great ideas out of him this morning. Bring in something like the GI bill to get houses up and help people buy them.

Follow New Zealand’s example and block non-residents from buying property, stopping vulture funds from buying up swathes of properties.

They are good ideas, particularly putting a limit on what investors can buy, but come on he can't deliver on any of it.

He might as well promise everyone a million quid for all the power he has to actually produce results as president.

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weldoninhio wrote: »

Some great ideas out of him this morning. Bring in something like the GI bill to get houses up and help people buy them.

Follow New Zealand’s example and block non-residents from buying property, stopping vulture funds from buying up swathes of properties.

If he wants to implement this stuff he needs to be in the Dáil

Zubeneschamali

connemara man wrote: »

If he wants to implement this stuff he needs to be in the Dáil

Yeah, but if he wants his expenses back, he just has to baffle enough voters before Friday.

weldoninhio

super_furry wrote: »

They are good ideas, particularly putting a limit on what investors can buy, but come on he can't deliver on any of it.

He might as well promise everyone a million quid for all the power he has to actually produce results as president.

How many other politicians have even floated an idea like this?? It might start a conversation.

No one cared about the situation in Rwanda until Mary Robinson brought it onto the public consciousness.

never_mind

I love how anti-establishment Peter Casey is. What a voice of the marginalized.

Anti-establishment being an active member of said establishment. Establishment meaning the rich elite which Casey is apart of. And marginalised being white, male, middle income earners... Some of you are hilarious. Stop worrying - there might be vocal 'Social Justice Warriors' out there - but nearly, if not all Irish CEOs are male, all university presidents are male, our Taoiseach and Tánaiste are male... so stop being such b!tiches and get on with it.

He is basically a cock tease. He is getting you privileged all hot and bothered because he said something racist. LOL. Like how insecure are you all? It's actually entertaining! Just let's remind ourselves that PC has no experience in politics, hasn't lived in Ireland for years, and doesn't understand our constitution of which he is supposed to defend. By him being elected you are not going to change the world. Look at Trump - if anything electing far right, uneducated gombeens only creates further problems and doesn't solve them.

Pedestrians, the lot of ye!

suicide_circus

never_mind wrote: »

I love how anti-establishment Peter Casey is. What a voice of the marginalized.

I don't think anyone is claiming he is a voice for the marginalised, as counter initiative as it may be, the marginalised have plenty of voices in this society.

he has given voice to sentiments held by many people, men and women.

quinnd6

I think looking through the comments there's a lot of people who want to kick social welfare recipients and travellers into the ground and are only interested in helping themselves and couldn't care less if the less fortunate were thrown out on the streets. So there is a high chance that Casey could get in unfortunately. As I said though there isn't one good candidate in it to vote for so what's the point really.

never_mind

suicide_circus wrote: »

I don't think anyone is claiming he is a voice for the marginalised, as counter initiative as it may be, the marginalised have plenty of voices in this society.

Absolutely disagree. There is a growing 'marginalised' group of the anti-snowflake brigade who are completely contradictory in saying that they are somehow unheard and unique. They are the true snow flakes when the rest of us just want to elect intelligent, coherent politicians who have integrity. PC flounders at any time of discursive debate. If he wins, which I doubt he will, he is going to cost us millions... he has already said he'd only do a five year term.

But it's cool cause ya know, he doesn't like itinerants.

elperello

suicide_circus wrote: »

I don't think anyone is claiming he is a voice for the marginalised, as counter initiative as it may be, the marginalised have plenty of voices in this society.

he has given voice to sentiments held by many people, men and women.

Marginalised people may have others who speak up for them but their real issues can only be solved when they find their own voice.

Spleerbun

never_mind wrote: »

He is basically a cock tease. He is getting you privileged all hot and bothered because he said something racist.

Funny enough, what's more likely to be getting people "hot and bothered" is people claiming that his comments were racist in the first place. Ho hum

tom1ie

ELM327 wrote: »

Fellow casey voter here
Didnt he get 16 total votes when he ran before?

14 in his attempt to be elected to Seanad eireann.

suicide_circus

never_mind wrote: »

Absolutely disagree.

and you are free to do so, good luck to you. isn't diversity of opinion wonderful

never_mind

Spleerbun wrote: »

Funny enough, what's more likely to be getting people "hot and bothered" is people claiming that his comments were racist in the first place. Ho hum

I would imagine that this has already been discussed in this thread. Travellers are an ethnic minority in this country and internationally recognised as such. When you make a sweeping generalization that is directed at one specific group of people (even if you just group them as a cultural group), it is racist. The Irish got that a lot in London in the 1980s... remember the IRA? Remember in the 20th century Irish bachelors going abroad because they couldn't find work here and were painted as drunken scum? I thought we had more empathy than that as a country - how disappointing.

If you want to get into the language aspect, which I think is actually a waste of time, you could say what he said was derogatory, unfair, and narrow minded.

never_mind

suicide_circus wrote: »

and you are free to do so, good luck to you. isn't diversity of opinion wonderful

Absolutely!

stratowide

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The media would be only delighted if Casey or anyone could turn this into a nailbiting race to the Áras. Casey jumping 30% in a poll and challenging Higgins would be the story of the year.

The idea that they have this story and are burying it to help MichaelD for reasons is beyond ridiculous.

We live in an age of ridiculousness..Nothing would surprise me.

elperello

stratowide wrote: »

We live in an age of ridiculousness..Nothing would surprise me.

After the events of the last week it's hard to blame you but I don't think they could all conspire to sit on a scoop.