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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-mumofseven-margaret-cash-appears-in-court-over-stealing-300-worth-of-clothes-from-penneys-37434491.html

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tuxy

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Don’t know why people are finding it so hard to believe :rolleyes:

The only bit that was surprising was the posting of pics before she even got home. I just wanted to see it for myself, thanks for posting.

Gravelly

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Don’t know why people are finding it so hard to believe :rolleyes:

That's hilarious. Stealing the hangers and all is quality.

PlaneSpeeking

Will I Am Not wrote: »

"B-b-but they could have been purchased....."

Well done for putting the truth front and centre. The virtue signallers who believe Cash and her ilk are just poor, downtrodden waifs do need proof.

Sadly.

NIMAN

Quality.

Not even waiting to get home to take the photos, do it on the bus on the way home from robbing.

Will I Am Not

Effects wrote: »

Link or it didn't happen.

Don’t know why people are finding it so hard to believe :rolleyes:

iguana

wexie wrote: »

But how is it even possible for children to slip under the radar? How can it be possible that a parent can receive child benefit on the one hand and on the other hand the child falling under the radar with regards to education?

When you receive CB you periodically get a letter asking for proof of residence.(I get it every year as my son was born in the UK, so there is an assumption I'll leave the country again.) On the letter you are asked to provide the name of the school that a child of over 5 is attending (prior to that they want your child's GP's name/creche). If the child is home educated they will usually ask for proof of registration. But if a parent wants to they can challenge this and insist that evidence of registration with a GP is accepted instead. Home Ed registration can't happen before the child is 6 and can take over a year to happen after the parent sends in the forms. So this is often necessary.

Though I suspect that those who are trying to fly under the radar won't challenge the system. They'll just stick the name of the local school on the form regardless of whether or not the child attends. I think there are pretty good odds that it's a box ticking exercise and there is little follow up to check that the child of the CB recipient is actually in the school they name. But again, that's just a guess based on the resources that would be needed to follow through on each letter.

wexie

Will I Am Not wrote: »

There’s a traveller woman that lives near me that heads into town every weekend, robs the f*ck out of clothes shops and puts them up for sale on Facebook on her way home. She takes pics of them hanging up individually on the handrails of the train with a price under each pic. No shame.

I think you'll probably find an example of one of those in most local FB 'mammy' or for sale groups. My wife was showing me one where the person in question was putting up designer clothing, tags still on and nowhere near yer one's size.

These aren't just one off examples, they're a lifestyle

tuxy

Effects wrote: »

Link or it didn't happen.

Good point, it takes a second to take a screenshot. The pics would be interesting so please post.

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PlaneSpeeking

Effects wrote: »

Link or it didn't happen.

Oh ffs are you really that gullible or just a Pavee Point shill ???

Effects

Will I Am Not wrote: »

There’s a traveller woman that lives near me that heads into town every weekend, robs the f*ck out of clothes shops and puts them up for sale on Facebook on her way home. She takes pics of them hanging up individually on the handrails of the train with a price under each pic. No shame.

Link or it didn't happen.

Boom_Bap

Will I Am Not wrote: »

There’s a traveller woman that lives near me that heads into town every weekend, robs the f*ck out of clothes shops and puts them up for sale on Facebook on her way home. She takes pics of them hanging up individually on the handrails of the train with a price under each pic. No shame.

I had a neighbour who approached me one day after living up the road for about 7 months and she said to me "I always thought you were a Garda", she proceeds to open a bag and pull out items of clothes and ask me if I have any interest in the jackets she has as she thought they were 'my style'.
I wasn't interested, so she asked me what brands I liked and said she would see if she could get them.
I've no doubt I could have given her a shopping list and she would have arrived back the next day with everything on it

Gravelly

In this day and age, anyone who has illiterate children (who aren't illiterate because of some medical reason) should not be allowed to be the primary carers of those children.

PlaneSpeeking

wexie wrote: »

But how is it even possible for children to slip under the radar? How can it be possible that a parent can receive child benefit on the one hand and on the other hand the child falling under the radar with regards to education?

Seems to me that education, or lack thereof more importantly, lies pretty much at the foundation of many if not all of the problems with traveler culture.

As far as I'm concerned deliberately withholding a basic education from your children, regardless of what trouble you go through to feed or cloth (:rolleyes:) them is child abuse and should be treated as such, no it ifs or buts about it, no excuses regarding culture.

I've long said that Children's Allowance should be linked to a minimum attendance at school (chronic illnesses allowed of course).

wexie

iguana wrote: »

So some parents who don't want their child to go to school will also not register as home educators (as they are not home educating) as they would rather slip under the radar than invite someone into their home to scrutinise how they are parenting and educating their children.

But how is it even possible for children to slip under the radar? How can it be possible that a parent can receive child benefit on the one hand and on the other hand the child falling under the radar with regards to education?

Seems to me that education, or lack thereof more importantly, lies pretty much at the foundation of many if not all of the problems with traveler culture.

As far as I'm concerned deliberately withholding a basic education from your children, regardless of what trouble you go through to feed or cloth (:rolleyes:) them is child abuse and should be treated as such, no it ifs or buts about it, no excuses regarding culture.

PlaneSpeeking

Will I Am Not wrote: »

There’s a traveller woman that lives near me that heads into town every weekend, robs the f*ck out of clothes shops and puts them up for sale on Facebook on her way home. She takes pics of them hanging up individually on the handrails of the train with a price under each pic. No shame.

Neither shame nor fear of any repercussions clearly.

Will I Am Not

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Love the comment about "are they robbed from Penneys" and one of the hunny army replied "so what if they are, they're still of use to someone you cheeky c**t, get a life".

Words fail me.

There’s a traveller woman that lives near me that heads into town every weekend, robs the f*ck out of clothes shops and puts them up for sale on Facebook on her way home. She takes pics of them hanging up individually on the handrails of the train with a price under each pic. No shame.

PlaneSpeeking

iguana wrote: »

No. In Ireland the parents have the constitutional recognition as the primary educator of their children. Children are entitled to an education that meets 'certain minimum standards' and the parents can choose how the child receives that. Obviously the majority of parents choose state schools and then it becomes the responsibility of the school to give the child the 'certain minimum standard' while parents are legally compelled to make sure the child attends the school they are registered with. Other parents choose from a variety of types of private school. If the school is registered with the Department of Education and receives state funding they school is required to make sure the children meet the education requirements of the national curriculum. If the school is not state funded they register with Tusla as an independent school and and there are Tusla staff, usually ex school principles/teacher who check that the children are receiving the minimum standards of education. But Tusla is primarily a child welfare organisation so, tbh, they are also checking for signs of neglect and abuse.

But a parent can also choose neither of these options and educate their children themselves at home. The current legal requirement on this is that parents register with Tusla as home educators and have an assessment with the same people who assess independent schools. For the most part this is actually extremely hands-off as once the child clearly has access to an education and there are no signs of abuse or neglect the parents have pretty free reign as to how they provide that education.

I'm not an assessor, so I don't know exactly what they are told to look for as warning signs but I know a number of home educators who have been through assessments and from talking to them I suspect that they are essentially assessing the parents. If they meet with a parent who is clearly well educated and has made a decision they believe is in the best interests of their child, who can talk through their educational methods, the theory and history of the method(s) they are using, have evidence of the education the child is receiving, ie project work, workbooks, shelves full of books, educational games, art supplies, maths equipment, etc. They will usually step back and let the parent get on with it. There is no need for micro-management and tbh, no resources to do so either. If the parent has literacy levels that match the quoted Facebook post, a complete lack of concern that the child is illiterate (which would definitely start to come under the heading of 'minimum standard' by age 9) no clear signs of an education being provided for the child, etc then further, more intensive assessments would be required and the parent may find themselves refused registration as a home educator, which could then see the child required to attend school.

I can actually foresee how this would go:

Department of Education visit the Cash home;
Evaluate that she cannot read and therefore cannot educate children;
Make report;
Local PBP lot (or similar) leak report pitching it as "discrimination";
Cash off scot free and a further generation of wasters is excused the same rules the rest of the country have to live by.

iguana

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

So (and please pardon me if it's a stupid question, I'm not Irish and this whole Traveller business is still new to me) isn't there some law in Ireland that says that kids have to go to school, otherwise they're taken away?

No. In Ireland the parents have the constitutional recognition as the primary educator of their children. Children are entitled to an education that meets 'certain minimum' standards and the parents can choose how the child receives that. Obviously the majority of parents choose state schools and then it becomes the responsibility of the school to give the child the 'certain minimum' while parents are legally compelled to make sure the child attends the school they are registered with. Other parents choose from a variety of types of private school. If the school is registered with the Department of Education and receives state funding the school is required to make sure the children meet the educational requirements of the national curriculum and follow the same 180 day school year with no more than 20 absences. If the school is not state funded they register with Tusla as an independent school and there are Tusla staff, usually ex school principles/teachers, who check that the children are receiving the minimum standards of education. But Tusla is primarily a child welfare organisation so, tbh, they are also checking for signs of neglect and abuse. There is no legal requirement for a totally independent school to operate a set number of days or to monitor attendance, though each school will have it's own policy and may take a very dim view of absenteeism.

But a parent can also choose neither of these options and educate their children themselves at home. The current legal requirement on this is that parents register with Tusla as home educators and have an assessment with the same people who assess independent schools. For the most part this is actually extremely hands-off as once the child clearly has access to an education and there are no signs of abuse or neglect the parents have pretty free reign as to how they provide that education.

I'm not an assessor, so I don't know exactly what they are told to look for as warning signs but I know a number of home educators who have been through assessments and from talking to them I suspect that they are essentially assessing the parents. If they meet with a parent who is clearly well educated and has made a decision they believe is in the best interests of their child, who can talk through their educational methods, the theory and history of the method(s) they are using, have evidence of the education the child is receiving, ie project work, workbooks, shelves full of books, educational games, art supplies, maths equipment, etc. They will usually step back and let the parent get on with it. There is no need for micro-management and tbh, no resources to do so either. If the parent has literacy levels that match the quoted Facebook post, a complete lack of concern that the child is illiterate (which would definitely start to come under the heading of 'certain minimum' standard by age 9) no clear signs of an education being provided for the child, etc then further, more intensive assessments would be required and the parent may find themselves refused registration as a home educator, which could then see the child required to attend school. So some parents who don't want their child to go to school will also not register as home educators (as they are not home educating) as they would rather slip under the radar than invite someone into their home to scrutinise how they are parenting and educating their children.

PlaneSpeeking

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Fixed the link for you:

https://m.facebook.com/margartandjohnnymccarthy/posts/532418330562461

Love the comment about "are they robbed from Penneys" and one of the hunny army replied "so what if they are, they're still of use to someone you cheeky c**t, get a life".

Words fail me.

von Smallhausen

Gravelly wrote: »

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Fixed the link for you:

https://m.facebook.com/margartandjohnnymccarthy/posts/532418330562461

The balls on the lad with the first comment

Whats worse, is that I know the cnut.... He is exactly how he there...a stupid knuckle dragging don't want to pay for anything but want everything for free neanderthal.

wonga77

Gravelly wrote: »

The balls on the lad with the first comment

and what if they are they still be use to someone u cheeky ****. Get a life

von Smallhausen

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Danny_B wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/margartandjohnnymccarthy/posts/532418330562461

Looking to get rid of some clothes ASAP......hmmmmm

Fixed the link for you:

https://m.facebook.com/margartandjohnnymccarthy/posts/532418330562461

Cheers Dougal!

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Gravelly

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Fixed the link for you:

https://m.facebook.com/margartandjohnnymccarthy/posts/532418330562461

The balls on the lad with the first comment

Boom_Bap

She posted a newspaper article about someone being jailed for 5 years for being in the 'RA.
First comment is about a pedophile getting a suspended sentence, followed by her comment:

Yep dats the way dis ****ed up country works nw tryna get rid of any1 that will stand up to dem

So if she want's the country to run properly, then surely she is admitting that she should be locked up for her crimes and involvement in criminal behaviour?

Fr_Dougal

Danny_B wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/margartandjohnnymccarthy/posts/532418330562461

Looking to get rid of some clothes ASAP......hmmmmm

Fixed the link for you:

https://m.facebook.com/margartandjohnnymccarthy/posts/532418330562461

Eggs For Dinner

spookwoman wrote: »

Also you don't need to be able to read to know robbing and stealing is wrong and against the law.

If you're shown and told every day that it is acceptable behaviour to rob from others, then perhaps you do need to be able to read to find an alternative opinion

Mr. teddywinkles

jmayo wrote: »

There are laws for school attendance but as others have said those laws are only enforced for members of the settled community.

Much like the laws on pollution, waste treatment, trespassing, motoring and animal welfare.

Our police force are often afraid to mess with travellers because they could face a full scale riot and they are pretty good at street fighting.
After all they do enough practice bare knuckle boxing, fighting with slash hooks and briar hooks, pick axe handles and hatchets.

Then even when the Garda manage to drag them to court our judges just go with the sob stories from the taxpayer funded solicitor/barrister and give them yet another slap on the wrist.

Rinse and repeat.

Don't forget the legal system takes a piece of the pie too for helping our culture enriched cousins.

spookwoman

Paddy Cow wrote: »

What about the bit where her daughter got caught robbing from the hotel shop?

Also you don't need to be able to read to know robbing and stealing is wrong and against the law.