Gravelly wrote: » This is exactly it - easy to keep the women obedient, and the sons into the "family business" if they have no other prospects, and think that "culture" is the be all and end all. If all traveller children got the education they are supposedly entitled to, the traveller lifestyle would be gone in a generation, and nobody would be looking for ethnic status. The do-gooders that help keep traveller children and women ignorant serfs are responsible for this.
Gwen Cooper wrote: » So (and please pardon me if it's a stupid question, I'm not Irish and this whole Traveller business is still new to me) isn't there some law in Ireland that says that kids have to go to school, otherwise they're taken away?
Nekarsulm wrote: » What kind of mentality is it to just dump all your school stuff outside? No matter where you go you'd think the schoolbags and pencil cases would be needed anyway.
tretorn wrote: » There are laws Gwen but the travellers dont bother obeying them for the most part. Lots of people who dont travel wouldnt obey laws if there was no consequence but unfortuneatly when you have an address you can be found at there will be consequences if you dont obey the law. I doubt if anyone actually knows how many traveller children there are. I was told recently a traveller family brought a child for baptism and that was grand, priest did the usual. The priest was asked to stand in for another priest in an adjoining parish and the same family turned up again with the same child to be baptised. This means the child has to baptisimal certs, now why would anyone want two baptisimal certs, there must be some sort of fraud that can be carried out if you have two baptisimal certs for one child.
tuxy wrote: » Ask any Garda what it's like trying to get someone who claims no fixed abode to appear in court. Only more serious arrests will warrant someone being held on remand.
Gravelly wrote: » Yes, but like many of our laws, when travellers break that law, they need "help" and "support" because going to school isn't "part of their culture" (like paying tax, insuring their vehicles, paying for their own accommodation etc.) so they are rarely if ever prosecuted.
Gwen Cooper wrote: » Ah, I see. We have a minority like that back home. I remember when Canada ran a report on TV years ago about this minority fearing for their lives in my country. Racism, threats, discrimination. Then they cancelled visa duty and allowed free travel to Canada. Took them about a month to bring the visas back, because all of these people were coming to Canada, expecting everything handed to them. When they came back, they complained about an awful discrimination in Canada. Another funny story is from the town where I went to school. My boarding school was right next to the area where this minority got council flats. Everyone called that area "The Ghetto". So they took the flats apart, sold every piece of equipment there was, including all the pipes and radiators, and then went on TV and radio to show the awful conditions under which they are forced to live, no water or heating. If I remember correctly, the flats were renovated. Last but not least, personal experience. My very first place that I rented after moving out of my parent's house was a little studio apartment. Neighbours from across the hall had the exact same apartment as myself, paid exact same rent, rented from the same landlord. There were 6 of them living there, 4 adults and 2 kids. I messed up my budget one month and I didn't have enough to pay rent. I got an eviction notice straightaway, within days of the rent being due. I talked to the landlord and he agreed that I will pay double rent next month, otherwise I'm out. When I went over to pay it to him, he wasn't at home. His wife took the money from me and told me that the people in the other flat haven't paid their rent in over 6 months and there's no risk of eviction for them because the council won't allow that. Injustice. :pac:
Gravelly wrote: » To add to the above, it was telling that, when Peter Casey called for travellers to be treated the same as anyone else, there was an outcry from travellers and their representatives as if he'd called for the final solution, and said he'd start the gas ovens himself. For any other minority anywhere in the world, a call to be treated the same as anyone else would be seen as a positive thing - for travellers it is seen as akin to nazism, because to be treated like the rest of us would involve losing their near-immunity to prosecution, their unquestioned welfare support, their free traveller-specific housing, their right to break the law when they please (sulkie races and bare knuckle fights anyone?).
tretorn wrote: » I doubt if anyone actually knows how many traveller children there are. I was told recently a traveller family brought a child for baptism and that was grand, priest did the usual. The priest was asked to stand in for another priest in an adjoining parish and the same family turned up again with the same child to be baptised. This means the child has to baptisimal certs, now why would anyone want two baptisimal certs, there must be some sort of fraud that can be carried out if you have two baptisimal certs for one child.
Gwen Cooper wrote: » She's not trying to justify that, so I can't judge. But saying that her kids can't read and then just shrugging her shoulders saying "oh well, travellers can't read", that's too much even for me. Aren't we supposed to want the best for our kids? Doesn't denying education count as a child abuse in some countries?
tretorn wrote: » I was thinking something like that. I used to get the ferry to Holyhead from Dunlaoghaire and it was always full of travellers, presumably claiming benefits in the UK and then coming to Ireland to claim benefits here too. If you are all called Martin Or Winnie Mc Donagh its probably easy enough to defraud. That and arriving into public offices smelling like something rotting, its easier just to rubberstamp documents and send you on your way. With facial recognition its probably easier to stop benefit fraud. The only downside to this is more brutal attacks on rural dwellers to make up the shortfall.
Paddy Cow wrote: » Don't you see the big red flag there? Her mother isn't bothered by the robbing part (and you should be judging that) and is deflecting the spotlight onto the mean officials who brought up that the child can't read and again, the special Ethnic Status is brought into play because "oh well, travellers can't read". This is why so many people are annoyed with the Ethnic Status, because it is wheeled out to protect them whenever they blatantly break the law.
KrustyUCC wrote: » That child is nine and has made her communion How is that she can't read? According to Margaret the kids never miss a day of school
Paddy Cow wrote: » A poster quoted a fb quote and we were talking about the contents of the post. Someone else has said that wasn't Margaret talking about her own child. Which would make sense because if Margaret had lost her kids at any stage it would be all over the media by now.
jmayo wrote: » Our police force are often afraid to mess with travellers because they could face a full scale riot and they are pretty good at street fighting. Then even when the Garda manage to drag them to court our judges just go with the sob stories from the taxpayer funded solicitor/barrister and give them yet another slap on the wrist. Rinse and repeat.
Paddy Cow wrote: » What about the bit where her daughter got caught robbing from the hotel shop?
jmayo wrote: » There are laws for school attendance but as others have said those laws are only enforced for members of the settled community. Much like the laws on pollution, waste treatment, trespassing, motoring and animal welfare. Our police force are often afraid to mess with travellers because they could face a full scale riot and they are pretty good at street fighting. After all they do enough practice bare knuckle boxing, fighting with slash hooks and briar hooks, pick axe handles and hatchets. Then even when the Garda manage to drag them to court our judges just go with the sob stories from the taxpayer funded solicitor/barrister and give them yet another slap on the wrist. Rinse and repeat.
spookwoman wrote: » Also you don't need to be able to read to know robbing and stealing is wrong and against the law.
Danny_B wrote: » https://www.facebook.com/margartandjohnnymccarthy/posts/532418330562461 Looking to get rid of some clothes ASAP......hmmmmm
