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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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Dublin Airport has planning permission to build a new parallel runway to the north of the existing main runway. The Regulator has determined that this new runway can only be funded by airport users when annual passenger volumes through Dublin Airport reach 23.5 million. Annualised passenger numbers in 2012 will be in the region of 19 million and current forecasts indicate that the 23.5 million target for bringing a new runway into operation, will be reached in or about 2019. What do you all think?

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dfx-

As someone in and out of T2 regularly in the last year, it is not a kip. There are some long walks depending on the gate..

The only thing wrong is disembarking at the "South Gates" no mans land and bussed back to the actual empty terminal which is misery. They should be strictly off limits except for the morning peak..

Ben D Bus

trellheim wrote: »

BLut2 I didnt ignore the post seems to have not taken yesterday.

1. LGW
2.. Malaga
3. Dusseldorf
4. Edinburgh

All better airports in my view and of a comparable scale . I actively like going through those airports
( Yes EDI is smaller )

In work many people share my dislike for dub airport. I am not going to rant here it inevitably descends into "well this is not what this forum is for"

I was through EDI last weekend and it hasn't a patch on DUB (T1 or T2)

Gatwick is certainly my preferred London airport but I don't see anything about it better than Dublin that's worth remarking on.

Jamie2k9

trellheim wrote: »

BLut2 I didnt ignore the post seems to have not taken yesterday.

1. LGW
2.. Malaga
3. Dusseldorf
4. Edinburgh

All better airports in my view and of a comparable scale . I actively like going through those airports
( Yes EDI is smaller )

In work many people share my dislike for dub airport. I am not going to rant here it inevitably descends into "well this is not what this forum is for"

EDI better than DUB when were you last there, not much better than DUB 10 years ago...

All but LGW handles less and in some cases significantly less.

Shedite27

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I see. We need more traffic on the roads then? Even Lisbon can have a metro from the airport into the city. Portugal didn't join the EU until 1992 - a full 20 years after we did.
I'm not sure what you mean about a metro only replacing the aircoach, wouldn't a metro north not serve large areas of north Dublin as well as the airport?

It would serve Ballymun, Glasnevin etc but not anywhere on the 16. Glad you raised the disappearing bus with DB, but Metrolink isn't going to replace that

I never said anything about traffic.

trellheim

BLut2 I didnt ignore the post seems to have not taken yesterday.

1. LGW
2.. Malaga
3. Dusseldorf
4. Edinburgh

All better airports in my view and of a comparable scale . I actively like going through those airports
( Yes EDI is smaller )

In work many people share my dislike for dub airport. I am not going to rant here it inevitably descends into "well this is not what this forum is for"

Blut2

trellheim wrote: »

Must be wonderful sitting in that Ivory tower. Imagine if the business you tried to grow became large, necessitating travel to other places to help further grow that business. If all you can do is snide responses like that, you need to take a long look at yourself.

My cribs with the airport and its agencies are mine. I genuinely think its a woeful and poor experience (T2 outbound included, although that is mediocre rather than awful ). If you don't like what I post theres an ignore button.

You seem to have ignored my question - if DUB is such a "woeful and poor experience" can you give us a few examples of airports of comparable size that in your experience are much better run than DUB? That the DAA could presumably take lessons from?

Nobody I know who travels frequently has such a negative opinion of DUB, so I'm very to curious to hear where you're comparing it to that it comes off so badly.

Kev11491

Stephen Strange wrote: »

You could be right. The drawings are on the fingal Coco website.

late reply, but if anyone wants a link to see the plans.

http://documents.fingalcoco.ie/NorthgatePublicDocs/00610943.pdf

Elmer Blooker

ozzy jr wrote: »

I recently did the Maglev from Shanghai Airport. At a top speed of 431km/h it would do the trip into Dublin in about 90 seconds

We should go for something similar.

We are told there isn't the money for a rapid rail from the airport into the city but there always seems to be adequate funds to get more and more cars on to the roads. The Port tunnel, the 'upgrades' to the M50 and Newlands Cross about €3 billion give or take a hundred mil or two!
The government or should I say successive governments need the revenue that motorists bring in so the more cars on the roads the better! If some people spend more time sitting in their cars, Monday to Friday, then they do with their kids then tough s***.

ozzy jr

I recently did the Maglev from Shanghai Airport. At a top speed of 431km/h it would do the trip into Dublin in about 90 seconds

We should go for something similar.

Jamie2k9

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Absolutely shocking, a national disgrace.
In the past week I know someone who waited TWO hours for a taxi, another was waiting for a 16 bus around 11pm, the board said the bus would arrive in a few mins, the arrival time of the 16 disappeared off the board and bewildered foreign visitors were left stranded!
I'm not far from the airport and I got a call asking would I collect this stranded and angry would be bus passenger and this was only around 11.30pm!
What is wrong with the Irish? We couldn't organise a pi55 up in a brewery!
* There was something about a 900m development at Dub A on the RTE 10 o clock news just now, planning permission should be refused until there is a rail link into the city but that ins't going to happen in this country. Ah shure it'll be grand!

Im sure you raised the problem with Dublin Bus....

LXFlyer

trellheim wrote: »

Must be wonderful sitting in that Ivory tower. Imagine if the business you tried to grow became large, necessitating travel to other places to help further grow that business. If all you can do is snide responses like that, you need to take a long look at yourself.

My cribs with the airport and its agencies are mine. I genuinely think its a woeful and poor experience (T2 outbound included, although that is mediocre rather than awful ). If you don't like what I post theres an ignore button.

I was not making a snide remark, and frankly your reply is somewhat condescending. Honestly it genuinely sounds from your posts as if you hate travelling through the airport. That's why I made the comment. I also didn't make any comment suggesting I don't like what you posted. I was merely merely pointing out that we all have choices in life.

Sometimes in life you need to stand back and make a lifestyle choice. I did precisely that some time ago rather than have an extended commute which I found very frustrating. And life is much easier these days.

I accept that we are all different, but sometimes putting yourself through unnecessary stress (as you seem to be) may not be the best choice to make!

That's all I was suggesting. Nothing to do with ivory towers.

L1011

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I see. We need more traffic on the roads then? Even Lisbon can have a metro from the airport into the city. Portugal didn't join the EU until 1992 - a full 20 years after we did.
I'm not sure what you mean about a metro only replacing the aircoach, wouldn't a metro north not serve large areas of north Dublin as well as the airport?

Lisbon started building its metro under its fascist government. Porto on the other hand is their vastly smaller second city in an extremely poor region and has a metro from the airport!

trellheim

I think you'll find you do have a choice!

Presumably this travel is work related?

You would have chosen that job. If travelling is so horrible an experience for you, perhaps you need to choose a new job that doesn't require you to travel that much?

Must be wonderful sitting in that Ivory tower. Imagine if the business you tried to grow became large, necessitating travel to other places to help further grow that business. If all you can do is snide responses like that, you need to take a long look at yourself.

My cribs with the airport and its agencies are mine. I genuinely think its a woeful and poor experience (T2 outbound included, although that is mediocre rather than awful ). If you don't like what I post theres an ignore button.

Elmer Blooker

Shedite27 wrote: »

Neither of those would be resolved by the Airport metro, the Airport Metro is only gonna replace the Aircoach.

I see. We need more traffic on the roads then? Even Lisbon can have a metro from the airport into the city. Portugal didn't join the EU until 1992 - a full 20 years after we did.
I'm not sure what you mean about a metro only replacing the aircoach, wouldn't a metro north not serve large areas of north Dublin as well as the airport?

LXFlyer

trellheim wrote: »

I must have missed this. This is by far the biggest hyperbole on this board for years. DAA is a complete joke that care more for their airlines than their passengers. IT IS A KIP. As someone who has to travel through once or twice a week ( not by choice) its awful and does not show Ireland well at all to inbounds.

Any metaphor you care to use - a car park that happens to have an airport, a pension plan with a runway , DAA has deservedly got them all.

A privately owned terminal would break up this monopoly and allow for some competition at least.

I think you'll find you do have a choice!

Presumably this travel is work related?

You would have chosen that job. If travelling is so horrible an experience for you, perhaps you need to choose a new job that doesn't require you to travel that much?

Shedite27

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Absolutely shocking, a national disgrace.
In the past week I know someone who waited TWO hours for a taxi, another was waiting for a 16 bus around 11pm, the board said the bus would arrive in a few mins, the arrival time of the 16 disappeared off the board and bewildered foreign visitors were left stranded!
I'm not far from the airport and I got a call asking would I collect this stranded and angry would be bus passenger and this was only around 11.30pm!
What is wrong with the Irish? We couldn't organise a pi55 up in a brewery!
* There was something about a 900m development at Dub A on the RTE 10 o clock news just now, planning permission should be refused until there is a rail link into the city but that ins't going to happen in this country. Ah shure it'll be grand!

Neither of those would be resolved by the Airport metro, the Airport Metro is only gonna replace the Aircoach.

Elmer Blooker

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

What I will say is that Dublin is a lovely airport to fly out of, but not a great to fly in to. DAA couldn't give a fiddlers about arriving passengers.

And the link to the city is extraordinarily bad. There are very few airports in Europe anymore where a 15 minute train into the CC is possible. It should be possible with Dublin. Vienna springs to mind, but London certainly not anyway.

Dublin airport is 9km from the City center. The equivalent distance when it comes to Gatwick or Heathrow (40km) is roughly Drogheda.

Dublin airport to Dublin city center is shorter in distance than London City Airport is to St Pauls Cathedral. We should be able to market the hell out of that, but we can't as the transport links from the airport are shocking.

Absolutely shocking, a national disgrace.
In the past week I know someone who waited TWO hours for a taxi, another was waiting for a 16 bus around 11pm, the board said the bus would arrive in a few mins, the arrival time of the 16 disappeared off the board and bewildered foreign visitors were left stranded!
I'm not far from the airport and I got a call asking would I collect this stranded and angry would be bus passenger and this was only around 11.30pm!
What is wrong with the Irish? We couldn't organise a pi55 up in a brewery!
* There was something about a 900m development at Dub A on the RTE 10 o clock news just now, planning permission should be refused until there is a rail link into the city but that ins't going to happen in this country. Ah shure it'll be grand!

Blut2

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

What I will say is that Dublin is a lovely airport to fly out of, but not a great to fly in to. DAA couldn't give a fiddlers about arriving passengers.

And the link to the city is extraordinarily bad. There are very few airports in Europe anymore where a 15 minute train into the CC is possible. It should be possible with Dublin. Vienna springs to mind, but London certainly not anyway.

Dublin airport is 9km from the City center. The equivalent distance when it comes to Gatwick or Heathrow (40km) is roughly Drogheda.

Dublin airport to Dublin city center is shorter in distance than London City Airport is to St Pauls Cathedral. We should be able to market the hell out of that, but we can't as the transport links from the airport are shocking.

As markpb mentions, the DAA sadly aren't responsible for this. It is completely ridiculous that there is no high speed rail link from DUB to the city center, but its the fault of the numerous Irish governments that have ignored the problem and not the DAA.

An underground direct link to Connolly to interlink with the DART/LUAS would be a dream come true. But we'll probably be waiting 20 years for it.

Arthur Daley

T2 is one of the best terminals I have travelled through.

The govt can borrow at very low rates these days and big mission critical infrastructure should be prioritised. Like metro north to the airport. If Varadkar wants piles more people in the country, he needs to really fast track infrastructure to deal with these growing hordes. He was minister of transport while metro north was shelved so he should know the pressure points here.

markpb

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

And the link to the city is extraordinarily bad. There are very few airports in Europe anymore where a 15 minute train into the CC is possible. It should be possible with Dublin. Vienna springs to mind, but London certainly not anyway.

Transport between DUB and the city centre has almost nothing to do with the DAA. I know there's a persistent and believable rumor that they like the poor access because of the money made from parking but, even if they were fully in favour of it, what could they do? It's extremely unlikely that the CAR would allow them to fund any part of a metro except possibly an airport rail station which is negligible in the overall cost.

Donegal Storm

T2 at DUB is one of the most relaxing and pleasant airports in Europe to fly through, calling it a kip is well over the top. T1 is a bit rough but then almost every airport other than the shiny new ones in Asia has a grubby old terminal.

As for the covered walkway, looking at the planning drawings its just covering the bus set down area on the east side of the T2 pier. Nothing to do with the bus gates

Chris_5339762

What I will say is that Dublin is a lovely airport to fly out of, but not a great to fly in to. DAA couldn't give a fiddlers about arriving passengers.

And the link to the city is extraordinarily bad. There are very few airports in Europe anymore where a 15 minute train into the CC is possible. It should be possible with Dublin. Vienna springs to mind, but London certainly not anyway.

Dublin airport is 9km from the City center. The equivalent distance when it comes to Gatwick or Heathrow (40km) is roughly Drogheda.

Dublin airport to Dublin city center is shorter in distance than London City Airport is to St Pauls Cathedral. We should be able to market the hell out of that, but we can't as the transport links from the airport are shocking.

lapua20grain

Blut2 wrote: »

I agree with the other posters that while DAA doesn't run a perfect ship, DUB is still a hell of a lot more pleasant than most airports I fly through. The runway queues are the only glaring fault currently that spring to mind. But aside from that, I'd rather fly through DUB than most airports of similar size elsewhere in the world. The only mid-sized airports that I've experienced to be regularly better are either Scandinavian (HEL for example) or developed Asian countries (TPE for example). In most of the rest of the world, even in "rich" countries like the US, mid-sized and larger airports can be awful.

If you think DUB is a "complete kip", can you give us a few examples of airports of comparable size that you think are much better run than DUB?

Have to agree I have flown through Birmingham, Stansted, East midlands, Leeds and many others across Europe and cannot fault Dublin apart from the runway queues as above but it is a really good airport.

Blut2

trellheim wrote: »

I must have missed this. This is by far the biggest hyperbole on this board for years. DAA is a complete joke that care more for their airlines than their passengers. IT IS A KIP. As someone who has to travel through once or twice a week ( not by choice) its awful and does not show Ireland well at all to inbounds.

Any metaphor you care to use - a car park that happens to have an airport, a pension plan with a runway , DAA has deservedly got them all.

A privately owned terminal would break up this monopoly and allow for some competition at least.

I agree with the other posters that while DAA doesn't run a perfect ship, DUB is still a hell of a lot more pleasant than most airports I fly through. The runway queues are the only glaring fault currently that spring to mind. But aside from that, I'd rather fly through DUB than most airports of similar size elsewhere in the world. The only mid-sized airports that I've experienced to be regularly better are either Scandinavian (HEL for example) or developed Asian countries (TPE for example). In most of the rest of the world, even in "rich" countries like the US, mid-sized and larger airports can be awful.

If you think DUB is a "complete kip", can you give us a few examples of airports of comparable size that you think are much better run than DUB?

trellheim

Would an escalator and walkway to Arrivals Main corridor not be the appropriate solution here ?

[Deleted User]

moloner4 wrote: »

T2 bus gates update

I don’t think it’s the one you are thinking of. I think it’s related to the one between 408L and 409L.

[Deleted User]

orionm_73 wrote: »

80m seems too short to connect the South Gates to the main terminal building. Reading the planning application it says “leading from the bus drop off point to the transfer facility”.
It seems to me that the buses will still run and they are just building a covered walkway along the south east side of pier 4 (400 Gates)

It’s 200m in a straight line

Locker10a

trellheim wrote: »

DAA has it's faults but it provides infrastructure within it's realm to a high standard that gives a nice experience and good impression of the country.

I must have missed this. This is by far the biggest hyperbole on this board for years. DAA is a complete joke that care more for their airlines than their passengers. IT IS A KIP. As someone who has to travel through once or twice a week ( not by choice) its awful and does not show Ireland well at all to inbounds.

Any metaphor you care to use - a car park that happens to have an airport, a pension plan with a runway , DAA has deservedly got them all.

A privately owned terminal would break up this monopoly and allow for some competition at least.

Yeah it’s by no means perfect but there are far worse too, ever been to a US airport? Some of the most dreadful places I’ve been. I have loads of complaints about Dublin, air traffic management is probably the biggest, and there’s plenty the daa could improve in the terminals but I just can’t see separate terminal operators using the same airport working well at all

Stephen Strange

orionm_73 wrote: »

80m seems too short to connect the South Gates to the main terminal building. Reading the planning application it says “leading from the bus drop off point to the transfer facility”.
It seems to me that the buses will still run and they are just building a covered walkway along the south east side of pier 4 (400 Gates)

You could be right. The drawings are on the fingal Coco website.

MJohnston

I'm sure Terminal 1 has its outdated spots, but Terminal 2 is the perfect kind of airport terminal for me - quiet, calm, and plenty of seating space. I've been through some actual kips in my times traveling (SFO, JFK, LHR T1 and T5 when it's busy, most South Europe airports) and don't really see the complaints.