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Got to love the left.

iebamm2580

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6273199/Somali-man-deportation-stopped-good-plane-passengers-revealed-gang-rapist.html
Id appreciate if i wasnt called a racist or xenophobe and the actual stupidity of these people on the plane was discussed.

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end of the road

JohnMc1 wrote: »

LOL. You're side believes:

1) You can choose what Gender you are like you would a pair of socks [and can even be neither Male or Female]

given that changing gender like a pair of socks, and identifying as neither male or female, doesn't even register in the thought processes of most people, meaning it doesn't have massive support, then how does it even matter?

JohnMc1 wrote: »

2) "We'll make Socialism work this time."

socialism in it's basic form works. extreme socialism which few will support, no

JohnMc1 wrote: »

3)Feelings trump facts

no different to the right then.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

4)That mass unchecked immigration will somehow fix our homeless and healthcare crisis.

mass unchecked immigration isn't supported by all on the left. probably most actually.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

You are not the side of sense and reason so drop the smug, condescending attitude.

oh but we are the side of sense and reason. the alt/far/hard right on the other hand, are the side of alternative facts, fake news, simplistic plattitudes and failed ideology.

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Gimme a Belt! wrote: »

You are free to disagree but the leftist hivemind tells us that massive immigration from the third world is unquestionably a good thing and anyone who disagrees is a racist (hence the Germans, British and Swedish governments attempts to cover up migrant sex crimes).

As for the right atm I would say our concerns are ending illegal migration, eradicating Islamic terrorism, getting tough on crime and keeping the economy strong.

So no problem with other terrorism then?

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

LOL. You're side believes:

1) You can choose what Gender you are like you would a pair of socks [and can even be neither Male or Female]
2) "We'll make Socialism work this time."
3)Feelings trump facts
4)That mass unchecked immigration will somehow fix our homeless and healthcare crisis.

You are not the side of sense and reason so drop the smug, condescending attitude.

Do you spend a lot of time worrying about transgender issues?

Chris_Heilong

i think the crazy left(not normal leftists) is a millennial thing as most Generation Z people seem to be very anti-SJW thanks to social media showing how nuts they are so there is hope.

Brian?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Can we please stop talking as if the identity politics nutcases represent "the left"? They really don't, any more than the Return of Kings types represent "the right". Many, many people on the left are social libertarians, who initially became leftists to oppose the social authoritarianism of the right (banning things or restricting individual freedom on "family values" grounds) - to those of us who did, the new authoritarian left is an absolute scourge and a fundamental betrayal of leftist values.

For example, the left was always opposed to censorship in the past, now it's leading the charge on turning the internet into a curated, supervised "playground" environment. Those who became leftists in the 90s or 2000s do not support this sh!t, and some of us are very vocal in opposing it.
Similarly with the abortion campaign - most leftists are pro-choice on individual freedom grounds, but the militant f*ckers who thought it was ok to rip down opposition posters, or threaten to boycott venues which had the temerity to offer a space for the right to hold meetings or rallies, or thought it was ok to sneer, condescend and downright insult anyone who was undecided instead of working to earn their vote - these people are actively despised by a significant proportion of leftists. They just get far too much attention because it makes good clickbait for the press, and this in turn encourages them to carry on acting like complete assholes unabated.

These people are not "the left". They have more in common with the Christian Conservative Right than they'd ever actually admit, and certainly far more than they have in common with the genuine liberal left.

Well said. These people are a tiny minority of society.

hatrickpatrick

Can we please stop talking as if the identity politics nutcases represent "the left"? They really don't, any more than the Return of Kings types represent "the right". Many, many people on the left are social libertarians, who initially became leftists to oppose the social authoritarianism of the right (banning things or restricting individual freedom on "family values" grounds) - to those of us who did, the new authoritarian left is an absolute scourge and a fundamental betrayal of leftist values.

For example, the left was always opposed to censorship in the past, now it's leading the charge on turning the internet into a curated, supervised "playground" environment. Those who became leftists in the 90s or 2000s do not support this sh!t, and some of us are very vocal in opposing it.
Similarly with the abortion campaign - most leftists are pro-choice on individual freedom grounds, but the militant f*ckers who thought it was ok to rip down opposition posters, or threaten to boycott venues which had the temerity to offer a space for the right to hold meetings or rallies, or thought it was ok to sneer, condescend and downright insult anyone who was undecided instead of working to earn their vote - these people are actively despised by a significant proportion of leftists. They just get far too much attention because it makes good clickbait for the press, and this in turn encourages them to carry on acting like complete assholes unabated.

These people are not "the left". They have more in common with the Christian Conservative Right than they'd ever actually admit, and certainly far more than they have in common with the genuine liberal left.

Tell me how

JohnMc1 wrote:

You need facts posted to you believe that there are only 2 Genders? The Left is lost.

You see, what you stated was people can pick and choose which gender they are.

Like I said, the vast majority on the left don't believe that, they believe you can realise that you relate more to a specific gender and then live your life as that gender.

Again, please provide facts to back up your claims please.

hatrickpatrick

AnneFrank wrote: »

Reminds me of the way most of our country nearly wet themselves to protect the Muslim brotherhoods member Inrahim Malawhi, what a joke

FFS, that was a totally different situation - the MB were, like it or not, democratically elected. The Army overthrew them using extreme violence and banned people from opposing this even through ordinary protest.

The MB are by no means good people, but in a democracy, when a party gets elected, it gets elected. Overthrowing a democratic election using violence is bullsh!t.

JohnMc1

Tell me how wrote: »

Can you provide some facts to support your claims please that these are common motivations of those on the left.

You need facts posted to you believe that there are only 2 Genders? :rolleyes: The Left is lost.

JohnMc1

riffmongous wrote: »

Here, the original post I quoted was blaming 'the left' for Trump, the blame for Trump lies strictly with the retards who like him and vote for him. I don't care about any of the issues you posted, that's not my Left, so you'll need to go reconsult your leftie outrage list

Whatever you say snowflake. Btw. Don't lecture anyone on making broad generalizations when you do the exact same thing.

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JohnMc1 wrote: »

Or you just got caught writing garbage and now can't defend them with the facts and reason you claim to possess.

Here, the original post I quoted was blaming 'the left' for Trump, the blame for Trump lies strictly with the retards who like him and vote for him. I don't care about any of the issues you posted, that's not my Left, so you'll need to go reconsult your leftie outrage list

Brian?

biko wrote: »

I'm making the point that skin colour is more important to the left.
I can elaborate if you don't understand.

It doesn't. We decided at the last meeting that we only discriminate based on religion now. We're throwing in behind the Muslims. Bonus points for rapyness

Tell me how

JohnMc1 wrote:

Or you just got caught writing garbage and now can't defend them with the facts and reason you claim to possess.

Can you provide some facts to support your claims please that these are common motivations of those on the left.

JohnMc1 wrote:

1) You can choose what Gender you are like you would a pair of socks [and can even be neither Male or Female] 2) "We'll make Socialism work this time." 3)Feelings trump facts 4)That mass unchecked immigration will somehow fix our homeless and healthcare crisis.

BattleCorp

Tell me how

biko wrote:

What makes you think they are a minority?

Because I've never heard anyone but the extreme left state any of the points you have mentioned. And the extreme left are a small portion of society.

I've seen the odd one on news, Twitter and I know they exist but they are not the norm.

JohnMc1

riffmongous wrote: »

Wow the snowflakes on the right here really can't take it can they, you can't say anything to upset the little darlings

Or you just got caught writing garbage and now can't defend them with the facts and reason you claim to possess.

biko

Tell me how wrote: »

And we're on to the merry go round. Some leftists think that, but they are the minority.

What makes you think they are a minority?

Facts?

Or a feeling?

[Deleted User]

JohnMc1 wrote: »

LOL. You're side believes:

1) You can choose what Gender you are like you would a pair of socks [and can even be neither Male or Female]
2) "We'll make Socialism work this time."
3)Feelings trump facts
4)That mass unchecked immigration will somehow fix our homeless and healthcare crisis.

You are not the side of sense and reason so drop the smug, condescending attitude.

Wow the snowflakes on the right here really can't take it can they, you can't say anything to upset the little darlings

biko

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Why is skin colour so important to you?

Whats with the dull term 'libtard', do you not realise it more reflects on you then whoever your trying to smear.

I'm making the point that skin colour is more important to the left.
I can elaborate if you don't understand.

Nm I'll do now.
Not a single person on the flight knew why this criminal was on the plane. But they could see a black man being deported.
Have you ever heard of passengers protesting a white person being deported?

Tell me how

JohnMc1 wrote:

LOL. You're side believes:

1) You can choose what Gender you are like you would a pair of socks [and can even be neither Male or Female] 2) "We'll make Socialism work this time." 3)Feelings trump facts 4)That mass unchecked immigration will somehow fix our homeless and healthcare crisis.

And we're on to the merry go round. Some leftists think that, but they are the minority.

Most are pragmatic, while, being compassionate and open to the evolution of societies.

JohnMc1

riffmongous wrote: »

Yes you are correct, the lefties should know better than to think the righties can be trusted with voting with an ounce of sense or reason

LOL. You're side believes:

1) You can choose what Gender you are like you would a pair of socks [and can even be neither Male or Female]
2) "We'll make Socialism work this time."
3)Feelings trump facts
4)That mass unchecked immigration will somehow fix our homeless and healthcare crisis.

You are not the side of sense and reason so drop the smug, condescending attitude.

WinnyThePoo

biko wrote: »

I doubt these libtards had moved a muscle if the deportee were Polish or Australian (aka white).

Why is skin colour so important to you?

Whats with the dull term 'libtard', do you not realise it more reflects on you then whoever your trying to smear.

biko

I doubt these libtards had moved a muscle if the deportee were Polish or Australian (aka white).

Tell me how

gw80 wrote:

He,s bang on though, If the guy was white, not a word would have been said.

How do you know?

JohnMc1 wrote:

This isn't compassion. This is worthless virtue signalling. This is why the Left is losing so much ground in recent years. They put worthless feelings over everything else.

I believe that some think that everything others do for someone else is virtue signalling just because they cannot understand/comprehend what it is to be selfless.

Arrival wrote:

Or, get this, people could sit there and shut the **** up and mind their own business and allow the officers to carry out their jobs in peace

And in cases where officers are breaking the law (which was absolutely not the case in this instance) who should call them out on it?

Just because someone has a badge doesn't make them a noble hero, irrespective of what Fox says.

Guy:Incognito

Odhinn wrote: »

You might familiarise yourself with the windrush scandal before continuing on your tirade.

And you might familiarise yourself with legitimate routes to air your issues.

How many of the Windrush generation are likely to be getting deported to Turkey? Or are all Brown people the same to you?

Does the Windrush scandal now mean that every Deportation is wrong?

It really doesn't matter what was going on. If you're sitting on a plane and get the urge to start some sort of social justice campaign, dont. Sit down, shut up and go on your holiday, letting everyone else do the same. Spend your 2 weeks in Turkey tapping away on your laptop telling everyone how great you are if you want but don't interfere with anyone else.

If you can't be bothered to find out proper information about something before diving in, it can't be that close to your heart in the first place.

Arrival

dudara wrote: »

The people on the plane didn’t know, and they weren’t told. Their actions, while daft, were well-intended.

One obvious solution would be for the accompanying officers to be able to share some details of why the deportation is taking place (e.g. serious crime conviction). However, that in itself could cause panic and noise from passengers, so maybe not a good idea.

IMO, it seems that there needs to be a better protocol established for the logistics of deportation.

Or, get this, people could sit there and shut the **** up and mind their own business and allow the officers to carry out their jobs in peace

[Deleted User]

blinding wrote: »

They stopped a Rapist being deported because they are dumb .

Maybe if Lefties weren’t so dumb ya wouldn’t get Trump .

Yes you are correct, the lefties should know better than to think the righties can be trusted with voting with an ounce of sense or reason

Gimme A Pound

BuyersRemorse wrote: »

A worldwide shift towards the hard right and still people are blaming a non existent 'Left' for all the world's ills.

Ah now, non existent?

Odhinn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What information were they acting on? Seems to be no information from what I can see.

Either way, regardless of the reason for the Deportation, it's none of their business and they should stay out of it.

What sort of an idiot thinks that a couple of minutes sitting near someone being deported puts them in a position where they know more than the country deporting the person?

You might familiarise yourself with the windrush scandal before continuing on your tirade.

Guy:Incognito

Odhinn wrote: »

They were acting on false information, as stated in the article, so you've really no basis for calling them on "stupidity".

What information were they acting on? Seems to be no information from what I can see.

Either way, regardless of the reason for the Deportation, it's none of their business and they should stay out of it.

What sort of an idiot thinks that a couple of minutes sitting near someone being deported puts them in a position where they know more than the country deporting the person?