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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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Tenger

tnegun wrote: »

Any reason for blocking exit seats until check-in is open? On EI-119 right now and 4 exits empty in front of me but they weren't available anytime I tried, none available on my return flight either in 2 weeks checked at the desk this am and they said they might come available when check-in opened?

I guess they do this to ensure no-one with a broken leg/walking stick books them and checks in online?

Jamie2k9

Going before they destroy there aircraft livery, nothing to do with me!!! :P

Tenger

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Going before they destroy there aircraft livery, nothing to do with me!!! :P

Good point. His reassurrances about the revised livery not longer holds water (obviously Im being cynical)

adam88

smurfjed wrote: »

Not sure if any EI people will answer this for you Adam88, so I shall give you an example for another airline.
Crews have a Minimum Guarantee Time depending on the aircraft, 70-78 hours block hours, after this they are paid overtime.

Productivity payments start at 40 block hours and increase at 60 and 70.

Annual productivity based on hours above 700

5% of hourly rate per hour for flight at night

6 Euro per hour for layovers away from base.

Payment per hour for working on days off.

So its not easy to say how much people would earn as it would differ between fleets and people.

Is it true that most staff are not getting paid while we board the plane ????

Or are those hours encompassed in your annual pay

duskyjoe

adam88 wrote: »

Is it true that most staff are not getting paid while we board the plane ????

Or are those hours encompassed in your annual pay

Adam are you doing a scoop as a journo? If you are you don’t belong here.

billy few mates

Tenger wrote: »

I guess they do this to ensure no-one with a broken leg/walking stick books them and checks in online?

Lufthansa lets you select these seats when you check in online but warns that there will be an additional gate check to ensure you're suitable to sit there when you swipe your boarding pass at the gate it flags red and the gate staff verify you're ok to sit there before they let you on....

Mebuntu

Despite Storm Callum, looking at the DUB Departures board this morning it seems to be operating normally except that Aer Lingus has cancelled no less than 8 flights and Rome is delayed.

On what basis would these flights (and their returns) have been cancelled when everything else is flying?

john boye

Mebuntu wrote: »

Despite Storm Callum, looking at the DUB Departures board this morning it seems to be operating normally except that Aer Lingus has cancelled no less than 8 flights and Rome is delayed.

On what basis would these flights (and their returns) have been cancelled when everything else is flying?

Different aircraft specific wind limits I'd imagine. Was the same a few years ago when FR shut down for most of the day and other airlines carried on. It could well be for something entirely different of course!

Mebuntu

john boye wrote: »

Different aircraft specific wind limits I'd imagine.

Don't think it can be that because their other A320 services departed normally.

NH2013

Mebuntu wrote: »

Despite Storm Callum, looking at the DUB Departures board this morning it seems to be operating normally except that Aer Lingus has cancelled no less than 8 flights and Rome is delayed.

On what basis would these flights (and their returns) have been cancelled when everything else is flying?

They were proactively cancelled last night in order to reduce congestion at the airport with runway 16 in use and ensure that aircraft and crew were in place to resume the schedule once the worst of the storm had passed. All the flights that were cancelled were ones with a later service in the day that passengers could be rebooked on.

adam88

duskyjoe wrote: »

Adam are you doing a scoop as a journo? If you are you don’t belong here.

If you look back you see I often ask questions about aviation and the business side of things. It’s a pity people can’t ask questions without being accused of looking for a story. I’m sure there’s enough contacts within Aer lingus that are in often contact with the papers.

duskyjoe

In fairness Adam and with respect, your recent question was very journo oriented. I have zero axe to grind . Tbh I can’t imagine bods here discussing their individual contracts with their respective airlines. It’s quite a personal thing (a) to ask and (b) to divulge. People outside of the aviation sphere have this aura that crews are paid ingots of gold, it’s far from that. Many airline crews on overnights do not step out of their hotel rooms on overnights (long haul and short haul) so they can save their merge allowance to pay bills, so paltry is their basic salaries. Food for thought Adam.

Lapmo_Dancer

I’d be inclined to give Adam a break. All you have to do is google ‘Aer Lingus Pilot salary’ and up pops an extensive thread on airline pilot t’s and c’s on this very forum from a few years ago.

adam88

Guys I’m just asking a question. I’m not asking for figures just when your paid from. Are you paid the minute you step foot in company property, are you paid while briefing, what happens if your diverted are you still paid, what does duty hours mean. If there’s someplace that can answer that please please point me to that area.
I wasn’t aware that Aer lingus were majorly different in these terms to anyone else.

I’ll go back to the shadows where a lot of us are.
No wonder it’s the same people always posting here for fear of being attacked.

adam88

adam88 wrote: »

Can someone explain both cabin crew and flight crew pay. No specifics but just a quick jist of it please

What I was looking to understand is all this carry on about the 900 hours etc. Surely that’s not all a pilot works a year??

0lddog

adam88 wrote: »

What I was looking to understand is all this carry on about the 900 hours etc. Surely that’s not all a pilot works a year??

For a broad view better to go to www.pprune.org .

L1011

900 hours flight time is a legal maximum, most pilots would work close to that. That is flight time, there can be quite a bit of time working that is not flight.

Tenger

adam88 wrote: »

What I was looking to understand is all this carry on about the 900 hours etc. Surely that’s not all a pilot works a year??

Lets give each other a rest. Adam88 is a long time poster here who asked a question, not a 5 post wonder asking about salaries. I do understand that in Ireland talking about your salary is often seen as taboo.

The question of paid by the duty hour, the block hour or based on a salary scale in an important one.
The 900 hours limit is only for block hours, ie chock to chock. This is the basis of MoL's infamous assertion that pilots work "16 hours a week"

A flight to Paris for example is approx 90 mins each way. So a simple return journey is 3 hours, but the duty time is more as they check in approx an hour before departure and have a 45 minutes turnaround. So a 3 hour block is actually a 4 hr 45 duty.
Now look at going back and forth to London 4 times. Approx 1 hour 10 per sector equals 4 hours 40 block time, 1 hour pre flight prep and 3 turnarounds mean that of the approx 8 hours total duty only 60% of it was 'block time'. So paid for duty or block is a big factor if that is your normal route.
Some airlines only pay for the block time, some pay a basic for duty and add extra for the block time.

Another example is that in Aer Lingus flight crew going to the West Coast use bunks to get rest. SO they arent at the controls the whole 11 hours. But they still get credited with the full 11 hours. Ive been told that in Emirates you only get credited for time in the cockpit. (Cant prove the veracity of that)

smurfjed

Ive been told that in Emirates you only get credited for time in the cockpit. (Cant prove the veracity of that)

My understanding is that they are paid for the full amount of time, but they are credited with stick time in order to increase their productivity.
@Adam88..... keep asking, otherwise this place will get old and boring...
http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Aer_Lingus_(ROI_Contract)

[Deleted User]

Aer Lingus pilots are paid a salary NOT paid per hour. The 900 hour rule will be a flying hours limit but won’t include other none flying work that pilots will do each month and year.

robbie1876

There are 'flight duty' limits and 'duty time' limits. Duty time is your non-flight hours that the company require you to be working, eg pre-flight preparations, standby time, simulator time etc. My understanding is pilots are paid a salary which includes duty time, plus an allowance per flight hour logged. It's all (clearly!) explained in the EASA AIR OPS section below:

ORO.FTL.210 Flight times and duty periods
(a) The total duty periods to which a crew member may be assigned shall not exceed:
(1) 60 duty hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(2) 110 duty hours in any 14 consecutive days; and
(3) 190 duty hours in any 28 consecutive days, spread as evenly as practicable throughout that period.

(b) The total flight time of the sectors on which an individual crew member is assigned as an operating crew member shall not exceed:
(1) 100 hours of flight time in any 28 consecutive days;
(2) 900 hours of flight time in any calendar year; and
(3) 1000 hours of flight time in any 12 consecutive calendar months.

Jack1985

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Aer Lingus pilots are paid a salary NOT paid per hour. The 900 hour rule will be a flying hours limit but won’t include other none flying work that pilots will do each month and year.

Same applies for CC.

goingnowhere

EI's operation planning on Friday was conservative but given the weather was reasonably sensible

For LHR, LGW, AMS the first flights were cancelled, these are slot restricted airports so delays not a a good idea.

There were ground delays of up to 1 hour on Friday at Dublin morning

The A320 crosswind certification with the original winglets is typically better that the 737NG/MAX with the big winglets. 38kt vs 33kt

adam88

Tenger wrote: »

Lets give each other a rest. Adam88 is a long time poster here who asked a question, not a 5 post wonder asking about salaries. I do understand that in Ireland talking about your salary is often seen as taboo.

The question of paid by the duty hour, the block hour or based on a salary scale in an important one.
The 900 hours limit is only for block hours, ie chock to chock. This is the basis of MoL's infamous assertion that pilots work "16 hours a week"

A flight to Paris for example is approx 90 mins each way. So a simple return journey is 3 hours, but the duty time is more as they check in approx an hour before departure and have a 45 minutes turnaround. So a 3 hour block is actually a 4 hr 45 duty.
Now look at going back and forth to London 4 times. Approx 1 hour 10 per sector equals 4 hours 40 block time, 1 hour pre flight prep and 3 turnarounds mean that of the approx 8 hours total duty only 60% of it was 'block time'. So paid for duty or block is a big factor if that is your normal route.
Some airlines only pay for the block time, some pay a basic for duty and add extra for the block time.

Another example is that in Aer Lingus flight crew going to the West Coast use bunks to get rest. SO they arent at the controls the whole 11 hours. But they still get credited with the full 11 hours. Ive been told that in Emirates you only get credited for time in the cockpit. (Cant prove the veracity of that)

Thank you for that.

I wasn’t aware that airlines had different ways of clocking up hours. I would have thought that every airline was the same and that maybe the big difference or attraction to working with x over z was the money per hour and maybe overnight allowance.

When you in your hotel in the states, be it with ei or other high profile airlines would you also get some payment for your time spent away.

I take it Ryanair probably pay chock to chock.

Also Is that why flying long haul might be seen as more attractive than short haul. One take off, one landing vs 3-4 take offs and landing.

Thanks again for the insight and sorry for taking things off point.

0lddog

adam88 wrote: »

..........Also Is that why flying long haul might be seen as more attractive than short haul. One take off, one landing vs 3-4 take offs and landing..........

Some like to sleep in their own beds at night & see their families every day ( well nearly every )

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LH is not for such people.

As I posted above, have a look at pprune.org. If you have a focus on terms & conditions then head to the 'Terms of Endearment' forum.

kevinandrew

It appears bag charges and seat selection fees have returned to the new London City route, the booking engine had been showing a free checked bag and free seat selection at check in for about a month. It would have been interesting to see Aer Lingus maintain the full service product under their own brand but it looks unlikely now.

Van.Bosch

kevinandrew wrote: »

It appears bag charges and seat selection fees have returned to the new London City route, the booking engine had been showing a free checked bag and free seat selection at check in for about a month. It would have been interesting to see Aer Lingus maintain the full service product under their own brand but it looks unlikely now.

Would be hard to justify it versus LHR for example.

donkey balls

One of my work mates was on the 757 this month he said that some of the arm rests didn't work,He had the same experience last year as well including seats not reclining.
He asked me was it an ACMI flight or it is EI cabin crew possibly ASL flight crew.

Jack1985

It's a damp lease arrangement whereby ASL provides four Boeing 757's (CJX, LBR, LBS, LBT). It's crewed by Aer Lingus Cabin Crew on secondment to an extent (still fly limited A320 mainline routes in addition to primarily B757 transatlantics) and about 30% of Pilots on the 757 are EI flight deck on direct secondment the rest being ASL Pilots.

trellheim

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Would be hard to justify it versus LHR for example.

I had hoped that the freebies like the bag and seat selection would have been left in to cope with forcing pax to walk or bus over and back to T1 and for the routine poor RJ85 availability ... but no silly me.