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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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TheChizler

draiochtanois wrote: »

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I don't think the exact location for that bridge was ever nailed down, never mind construction started. Are you thinking of the access road to that private house behind the railway line maybe?

rounders

who_me wrote: »

Are there two proposed downstream bridges so - Tivoli and the Water Street bridge proposal?

See post 20 & 22 on page 2. This is the closest we have to the location of the bridges being proposed as well as potential design.

(Last I heard the skew bridge is actually slightly more up stream towards the end of centre park road)

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057430459&page=2

EDIT: More details on https://www.corkcity.ie/services/docklands/infrastructure/easterngatewaybridgewaterstreetbridgeandspineroutenetwork/

snotboogie

The Prism has been approved! Lots of conditions but none related to height

Meursault

snotboogie wrote: »

The Prism has been approved! Lots of conditions but none related to height

Great news, hopefully it will proceed quickly enough, and it will also mean it is easy to getting planning future high rises around the docks area also. If we want to make the maximum use of our space in the city and ensure there is proper public transport, high density projects, such as these, are the way to go.

Captainsatnav

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/15-storey-Prism-gets-the-go-ahead-46739428-51fc-4d4d-a672-a4365bbbe556-ds

GavRedKing

Some great news in recent times about the high rises in the city.

You only have to look at Dublin and what not to do with their docklands space and height being restricted and curtailed.

snotboogie

Meursault wrote: »

Great news, hopefully it will proceed quickly enough, and it will also mean it is easy to getting planning future high rises around the docks area also. If we want to make the maximum use of our space in the city and ensure there is proper public transport, high density projects, such as these, are the way to go.

Can't see it not being appealed. I'd say middle of next year would be a realistic time for this to start.

Captainsatnav wrote: »

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/15-storey-Prism-gets-the-go-ahead-46739428-51fc-4d4d-a672-a4365bbbe556-ds

I wonder if we will see the planning for the Docklands Tower soon. Good update on Horgans Quay too:

Work has also started on the 11-storey HQ Development on Horgan’s Quay, with a spokesperson for the project confirming they are on site and conducting surveys ahead of demolition.

who_me

Captainsatnav wrote: »

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/15-storey-Prism-gets-the-go-ahead-46739428-51fc-4d4d-a672-a4365bbbe556-ds

Looks great from that angle (well, it always would from the 'thin edge'), hope it's as good from the East/West. The Elysian is an example of one whose South elevation looks good, but the West elevation is extremely bland.

The second photo is pretty much my living room view so it better look good

The pace of approvals is really picking up, for taller developments. At the moment, there are just 2 buildings in the city with 10+ floors (Elysian and County Hall), now there are 4 more approved (Crow's Nest 10, Sullivan's Quay hotel 12, Prism 15 and Jacob's Island tower 24) with 2 more in planning/pre-planning (Victoria Road tower 10, Custom House tower 40). Edit - make that 5 more approved! Just reading the post above, I didn't realise HQ included a tower of that height.

rebs23

Any update on the hotel on Sullivans Quay? Has the rubble been removed?

Markcheese

It's expensive to go up...!! Really expensive to go really high...!!,
So usually developments only go high rise when there's a serious lack of development land... Because of the cost (I know there can be some other advantages in going up),
Cork city especially the Eastern side (the docks) isn't short of devolpment sites...

who_me

snotboogie wrote: »

I wonder if we will see the planning for the Docklands Tower soon. Good update on Horgans Quay too:

Are any of the HQ buildings 11 storeys? None of them really look that tall.

snotboogie

rebs23 wrote: »

Any update on the hotel on Sullivans Quay? Has the rubble been removed?

Nope its all still there. Archaeological work ongoing apparently....

who_me wrote: »

Are any of the HQ buildings 11 storeys? None of them really look that tall.

The apartments seem to be

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Markcheese wrote: »

It's expensive to go up...!! Really expensive to go really high...!!,
So usually developments only go high rise when there's a serious lack of development land... Because of the cost (I know there can be some other advantages in going up),
Cork city especially the Eastern side (the docks) isn't short of devolpment sites...

If they want to cut down traffic in the city and revitalise trading business there, they (council) need to enforce high rise. No planning below, say, 7 storeys. The sprawl needs to be addressed

marno21

Fantastic to see the Prism development approved. Another building that bizarrely isn't welcome in the CBD of the capital city.

Another commercial development approved is another call to action for residential development in the city centre, especially the landbanks on the north and south docks.

swampgas

Markcheese wrote: »

It's expensive to go up...!! Really expensive to go really high...!!,
So usually developments only go high rise when there's a serious lack of development land... Because of the cost (I know there can be some other advantages in going up),
Cork city especially the Eastern side (the docks) isn't short of devolpment sites...

We will need those sites in the future, for more high-rise. That's the future of the city, if we have the vision for it. Build low rise on them now and it's a short term gain but a long term disaster.

questionmark?

Markcheese wrote: »

It's expensive to go up...!! Really expensive to go really high...!!,
So usually developments only go high rise when there's a serious lack of development land... Because of the cost (I know there can be some other advantages in going up),
Cork city especially the Eastern side (the docks) isn't short of devolpment sites...

At what height does it actually get proper expensive? 15 stories doesn't seem very much. I can imagine the 24 storey tower might be a differant story.

who_me

snotboogie wrote: »

The apartments seem to be

Just had a quick look through the photo-montages, most of the buildings seem to be about 8 floors, but one towards the rear (North side of site) does seem to be a few stories higher alright.

marno21

Website for one of the companies involved seems to indicate the Docklands tower, referred to as "Port Peninsula" will be 47 stories.

https://alubuild.net/projects/#PortPeninsula

questionmark?

marno21 wrote: »

Website for one of the companies involved seems to indicate the Docklands tower, referred to as "Port Peninsula" will be 47 stories.

https://alubuild.net/projects/#PortPeninsula

Those boys look like they mean business. The go ahead for the Prism could see them look at more investment. Always felt it was a tester building to see if Cork was willing to actually go up!

who_me

marno21 wrote: »

Website for one of the companies involved seems to indicate the Docklands tower, referred to as "Port Peninsula" will be 47 stories.

https://alubuild.net/projects/#PortPeninsula

That could be the standard "We want a 40 storey tower. We'll apply for a 47 storey tower. Planning will trim it down to 40 storey tower. Everybody's happy."

I really hope Port Peninsula isn't the name though. Sounds a bit... I don't know... phallic for my liking.

If I'm not mistaken, these are the same developers as the nearby proposed Prism building? I wasn't convinced about the location for the 40(ish) storey tower (and I'm still not) but at least I think it helps if there are nearby towers of similar-ish height.

marno21

who_me wrote: »

That could be the standard "We want a 40 storey tower. We'll apply for a 47 storey tower. Planning will trim it down to 40 storey tower. Everybody's happy."

I really hope Port Peninsula isn't the name though. Sounds a bit... I don't know... phallic for my liking.

If I'm not mistaken, these are the same developers as the nearby proposed Prism building? I wasn't convinced about the location for the 40(ish) storey tower (and I'm still not) but at least I think it helps if there are nearby towers of similar-ish height.

Indeed, the developers of the Prism are the same boys behind the Docklands Tower.

47 stories is another level of ambition though, I'd be delighted to see it go ahead but there will be the usual stream of ***** lining up to try and stop it.

47 stories would make Dublin's best attempt, Capital Dock, look like a glorified crannóg.

Brussels Sprout

bladebrew wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/things-are-looking-up-in-cork-as-planning-granted-for-irelands-tallest-tower-873986.html

I can't believe that tower got permission!
It's needed there, really good location, 1 beds now going up for €1150 a month!

The new development of 413 apartments, and with planning also granted for a creche and three retail units plus improved access routes, is most likely to be to service the ‘built to rent’ sector rather than built for individual sales.

It is expected ownership will go to a fund or REIT, such as Kennedy Wilson, which earlier this year bought the fully completed and occupied 17-storey Elysian tower, with 210 apartments plus commercial element, in Cork city centre for €87m.

Any idea why these apartments won't be for sale to individuals? Is it an issue with the developers trying to leverage risk? Seems that the most profitable thing would be to sell them off one by one after all.

MrDerp

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Any idea why these apartments won't be for sale to individuals? Is it an issue with the developers trying to leverage risk? Seems that the most profitable thing would be to sell them off one by one after all.

Profit is measured in time also. Why have 400 odd contracts for your solicitor to close out when the keys are being handed over, when you sell the lot in one contract, pay your financiers earlier and start your next build as work rolls off the current one.

Also renting in a wholly owned complex is far superior. Parking is enforced, no deadbeat landlords/owners refusing to pay fees, lifts maintained on schedule, troublesome tenants turfed out without prejudice.

opus

Noticed the 'For Sale' banner on Moores Hotel this morning, wonder what will end up there. Would imagine the existing building will be razed.

who_me

opus wrote: »

Noticed the 'For Sale' banner on Moores Hotel this morning, wonder what will end up there. Would imagine the existing building will be razed.

There's a planning application for a ~190 bed hostel on Morrison's Island. I'd guess it's there (unless it's the unused hotel development at the rear of the BOI building).

opus

who_me wrote: »

There's a planning application for a ~190 bed hostel on Morrison's Island. I'd guess it's there (unless it's the unused hotel development at the rear of the BOI building).

Nope that's behind it, a friend of mine in a business in that area are purchasing their building so we were having a look at the planning applications around to see what was happening. That hostel is on Fitton St - http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/1737530/0

Markcheese

rebs23 wrote: »

Any update on the hotel on Sullivans Quay? Has the rubble been removed?

I think I'm gonna start a campaign to preserve the mountain of rubble as a heritage site in Cork, maybe it should be kept for the arts and something to do with the cities heritage.. Or some crap like that...

snotboogie

Penrose Dock has started clearance

mrpdap

snotboogie wrote: »

Penrose Dock has started clearance

Is this the area east of Railway Street?

Apogee

Evening Echo wrote:

Construction has begun on the €125 million Penrose Dock office development, one of the key elements of the planned transformation of the North Quays into a thriving new economic district.

Plans includes a 250,000 square feet open plan office scheme, a 12,500 square feet. state of the art gymnasium, a proposed wine bar/coffee shop, 160 basement car spaces and a large townhall space.The construction phase of Penrose Dock is expected to take 18 months to complete with both buildings being ready for tenants to move in by May 2020.

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https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Work-begins-on-125m-Penrose-Dock-to-be-ready-for-2020-627bff79-77c4-4a03-b7c2-0108db2ffae1-ds

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/work-starts-on-latest-cork-docklands-project-875467.html