Willfarman wrote: » https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/payment-for-weighing-calves-a-good-move/ A reasonably sensible response?
_Brian wrote: » Does a farmer with his own scales get it ?? Leading from that If I pretend to have my own scales will I get it ??
Water John wrote: » You could steal the one in the bathroom if the wife doesn't see you. Pick up the calf and weigh the two of you. Now if you're as heavy as me, that trick won't really work.
Water John wrote: » Well Kathy Mac €40 per calf will make it all worthwhile.
KatyMac wrote: » 'Twil in my left eyebrow......either buy or rent scales or hire man to do the weights. Drag the cattle to the yard to get them done (hiring man with lorry) then back to various outfarms (again hire man with lorry) and then give probably half of that €40 to Teagasc to fill out the paperwork - I'm fed up to back teeth of schemes that puts a lot more money into the pockets of so called advisors than I ever see. Not that I'm in any way bitter:rolleyes:
TooOldBoots wrote: » Moan Moan Moan all the time out of some :rolleyes:
Bass Reeves wrote: » Not really it the reality of some of these schemes that is supposed to put money into farmers pockets. Take the knowledge transfer program. Teagasc and advisors get 500/participant not out of our money but still. Out of our 750 euro we have to pay the vet for the herd health plan so in reality farmers get 6-650. KM is just pointing out the reality of the scheme. A 20 cow herd with 20 calves(unlikely) will get 800 euro. Even if it is all the one unit if you have to weight 3 times/year it will take you 2-3 hours each time with the associated risk of injury to man and beast
Farmer wrote: » I dont get the weight thing. Can't they use the mart sale weights, we'll give then a calf at birth size on a scale of one to three. Let them subtract the two and divide by the days in between whether it be 4 months or 30.
KatyMac wrote: » I wouldn't consider that a moan. I just stated how it is! As others have said there are plenty of hands out for the few bob various schemes are worth to the farmer. And also there is nobody with a gun to my head making me join this scheme and at the moment unless there is something obvious that I'm missing I will not be signing up. Trying to keep to all elements of a scheme when the powers that be decide to move the goal posts half way through is not my idea of fun. (Again, I'm stating how it is on the ground not moaning).
charolais0153 wrote: » 3x3 hours =9 hours. 800÷9=90 90 euros an hour ...not too bad. If i got that every time i brought in the cows id be very happy
patsy_mccabe wrote: » Lads, is this scheme not similar to the WHPR currently up and running with ICBF. If so, then the farmer does not have to buy his own scales;"The ICBF Scorer will have a weighing scales for weighing & restraining animals"https://www.icbf.com/wp/?page_id=8066 I was seriously considering joining this existing programme as I have pedigree cattle. For €40, the decision is made.
Bass Reeves wrote: » There is another way you can calculate it. 3 year scheme so 2400 euro. Scales costs 800 leaving 1600. I injury/year in loss of thrive and injections and risk of vet call 50 euro leaves 1450 over the three years. that is 483. 3X3 hour and 3X1 hour(filling up paper work) =40.25/hour still good money but not putting real money into a farmer pocket. Then comes the sting once during the three year the Dept f@@k up on the paper work and you spend 16 hours chasing it and sorting it out. if that happens it it is 27/hour. Oops I forgot about the ICBF 60/year if not in it already so take away another 180 euro over the three year leaving 35/ hour in normal circumstances and if the dept make a mistake 24.5/hour
charolais0153 wrote: » If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas Its a lot better than a slap on the wrist. I have no intention of buying a scales for a few hours work. Borrowing one or even hiring one is a much better alternative
Never wrestle with pigs wrote: » Have you to start vaccinating everything for bvd,lepto, ibr, joans, etc when you join that? More money. When you take animals to the mart and bring them back do you not loose your health status? I'm told from a few pedigree breeder's that it's an expensive program. I haven't fully looked into it yet myself but I don't think it's to simple.
patsy_mccabe wrote: » This new scheme seems to be about weighing only. Don't even now if they will linear score. Confused myself now will all these schemes. The Limousin Society do a 'Limo Leader Herd Health'. Don't know how this overlaps with WHPR. :mad:
Never wrestle with pigs wrote: » Like you I'm only getting in on it. But it's worth your while having a chat with a local breeder that's at it a while.
Willfarman wrote: » How are these cracked suckler animals slaughtered without stress beforehand? Another black mark against the “quality cattle = quality beef” mantra. And another tick for my dairy and beef dairy cross bullocks bullocks that I get no reward for...
