alaimacerc wrote: » "Sinister". Same word as Ni Riada is using, to describe questions about... the exact same matter she went on the radio to broadcast to all that might hear. Must have been word-of-the-week in the briefing pack.
blanch152 wrote: » Not getting your children vaccinated = anti-vaxx
FrancieBrady wrote: » I enjoy word bingo too. Well done! :rolleyes:
FrancieBrady wrote: » I do happen to think Anti Vaxx scaremongering is crackpot stuff. Asking questions about the information available isn't crackpot in a climate were nobody has any trust or faith in the competence of our HSE.
Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one's opponent
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions
Water John wrote: » Alaimerec, searched for any recent material on Ni O'Riada, absolutley zilch, nada since Sept 17. That's 3 weeks off the radar, poor campaign manager.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Do you believe there was a lot of confusion and misinformation around at the time?
Fine Gael's vice president and other Dail deputies raised concerns at the time, are they Anti Vaxxers today too?
You guys are running out of road fast here.
alaimacerc wrote: » I believe Ni Riada was contributing to it. Did they go on the radio to say they'd refused their kids the jab, and then refuse to say if they'd since had it? If so, they're in the "trying to have it both ways" camp that Ni Riada is in. Personally I think you're running out of plausible deniability. If that's even the right tense.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Whipped up by dolts like Ni Riada, yes, yes there was.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Factually wrong. Do some basic research. The campaign on social media was well developed before she spoke.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » She should have known better than to contribute to the nonsense. But she took the populist path.
FrancieBrady wrote: » She is a public rep, it is her job to query and reflect the concerns of her constituents.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Whipping up baseless fears is a strange defintion of public representation. You've very subtly moved on from denying that she was anti-vaxx, to claiming that she was doing some sort of public duty by whipping up anti-vaxx sentiment. Don't think for a second that the thinking voter can't see through these tactics.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I am not denying anything. Maybe she is an anti - vaxxer in disguise.
She raised concerns about the misinformation and availability of clear information [...]
Da Paper wrote: In 2016 the MEP said that she would not allow her daughter to receive the HPV vaccine. Noting the HSE was in “in a shambles”, she asked: “how much can you trust this is 100 per cent safe”. Speaking on Cork local radio, she said she had “sent a note to the school” saying she didn’t want her daughter to get the vaccine.
as did other representatives including Fine Gael's at a time when there was intense confusion and mis-information being targeted at social media users. Yet she is the evil one.
Has Craughwell and John Paul Phelan being allowed to carry on with out the taunts being thrown at them?
Water John wrote: » At a time of the loss of Emma Mhic Mathuna lets be very clear on the vax message. It saves lives.
I would, of course, encourage all parents to get their children fully vaccinated, including with the HPV vaccine and indeed there is recent research saying that this particular vaccine should be extended to boys, which I would also support. A vaccine that can save a person’s life has to be promoted
alaimacerc wrote: » It's not a very good disguise. A better one would have involved not withdrawing permission for the vaccination in the first place. Or at least not going on the radio to publicly preen about having done so. Or failing both of those things, to fully address the matter in the terms she herself first raised it. Rather than attempting to shroud herself with this "sinister hounding" guff she's now giving us. That's a remarkably generous spin to put on events. Well, if it would be if you were extending to anyone but a SFer! She's told once by the HSE the vaccine's good, and she reckons neither's to be trusted. But then she's told again, and she's fully supportive -- in some general, non-committal way, at least. Let's hope she's not told again, she might flip-flop back the other way.The "evil" one? No, they're all a bunch of shameless, empty-headed populists, that's all. Nothing in the least unusual, sad to say. I'm happy to taunt either of those any day of the week, but neither is running for president. (... any more, in poor aul' Gerry's case.) So this is a tad whatabouty.
In that interview on Cork’s 96fm Opinion Line in September 2016, Ní Riada said she had made the decision for one of her daughters not to receive the HPV vaccine, despite her older daughter having already received it. She said that she had been unaware of potential side effects from the vaccine before she began to read about it, and had heard numerous accounts of people suffering damaging side effects. “It’s a hard call, it’s a tough decision to make,” Ní Riada said, adding that it was a private, personal choice for each parent. In the interview, she also said that from stories she’d heard “clearly there are a number of people that were affected by side effects” but that there were thousands who’d received the vaccine who hadn’t. “I’m not advocating that anybody shouldn’t give the vaccine to their child,” she said. “I’m still in two minds about it.”
eastwest wrote: » She's not a republican. She's a member of sinn fein, a party that uses the word 'republican' as a brand but that doesn't espouse republican values.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Not getting your children injected with something you cannot get clear trustworthy info on = good parenting to me. To keep insinuating something and not backing it up = downright sinister political opportunism.
blanch152 wrote: » So the bandwagon was already rolling when she jumped on it?
VinLieger wrote: » Its very simple. If you don't want to talk about your child's vaccination status, don't start talking about your child's vaccination status.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Along with Fine Gael deputies, independent deputies and thousands of people who were confused by the conflicting information. In the real world that is, where people voice their concerns all the time about a myriad of things. But not some who seem to always make the right-on choice for their kids. Would that we were all so assured and competent. Have you any actual evidence that this woman is anti-vaxx blanch152? You have been asked to show it many times.
blanch152 wrote: » All of which is equivalent to anti-vaxxer nonsense. I note that Vicky Phelan last week called on Ni Riadh to clarify whether she had her daughters vaccinated. I suppose she is also guilty of downright sinister political opportunism?https://extra.ie/2018/10/05/news/irish-news/vicky-phelan-liadh-ni-riada-hpv "I don’t think anybody should be forced to say whether or not their child is going to be vaccinated. But in her particular case, I do think she has to come out and say it because she is running for a Presidential election." Pretty much sums up my position on the issue.
FrancieBrady wrote: » :D As if the serial petrified anti-republicans are going to take anything she says as adequate.
FrancieBrady wrote: » In the interview, she also said that from stories she’d heard “clearly there are a number of people that were affected by side effects”
In the interview, she also said that from stories she’d heard “clearly there are a number of people that were affected by side effects”
