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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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bladebrew

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/things-are-looking-up-in-cork-as-planning-granted-for-irelands-tallest-tower-873986.html

I can't believe that tower got permission!
It's needed there, really good location, 1 beds now going up for €1150 a month!

namloc1980

Really need to get a proper public transport corridor up and running into Mahon Point. With the amount of development down there and another 400 residential units going in now, that place is going to be an even bigger traffic nightmare than it already is.

snotboogie

According to a post two days ago on the PROC forum (that also predicted the Mahon tower would be approved) there was 1400 objections against the Jacobs Island development. If that’s true I fear the same fate for this as the Glanmire development with appeals, a judicial review and significant delays.

snotboogie

bladebrew wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/things-are-looking-up-in-cork-as-planning-granted-for-irelands-tallest-tower-873986.html

I can't believe that tower got permission!
It's needed there, really good location, 1 beds now going up for €1150 a month!

Approved by An Bord Pleanála under the Government’s ‘fast-track’ Strategic Housing Development (SHD), the development proposes 413 apartments, in six blocks ranging from six to 25 storeys, and which, if built shortly, would be the country’s tallest tower.

I like the subtle docklands tower reference!

[Deleted User]

The tram to Mahon would be the smart optuon, while the marina is still uncluttered

marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

According to a post two days ago on the PROC forum (that also predicted the Mahon tower would be approved) there was 1400 objections against the Jacobs Island development. If that’s true I fear the same fate for this as the Glanmire development with appeals, a judicial review and significant delays.

1400 objections to the plaza on Morrison's Island. All dismissed by city council

Is this the post? Seems to be the Morrisons Island plaza rather than the Jacobs Island development

I'm surprised there wasn't more fruitcakes out against the Mahon tower tbh

TheChizler

marno21 wrote: »

Is this the post? Seems to be the Morrisons Island plaza rather than the Jacobs Island development

I'm surprised there wasn't more fruitcakes out against the Mahon tower tbh

Morrisons Island objections were more against the plan to replace the old river banks and raise the walls rather than the plaza weren't they? Which has been stopped at EU level for now because of consequences to the environment downstream.

questionmark?

bladebrew wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/things-are-looking-up-in-cork-as-planning-granted-for-irelands-tallest-tower-873986.html

I can't believe that tower got permission!
It's needed there, really good location, 1 beds now going up for €1150 a month!

Fantastic news. It's ideal location for apartments so handy for those working in Mahon to be able to walk to work or a quick spin out to Little Island. Good use of land. Hopefully we see more of this.

lisasimpson

questionmark? wrote: »

Fantastic news. It's ideal location for apartments so handy for those working in Mahon to be able to walk to work or a quick spin out to Little Island. Good use of land. Hopefully we see more of this.

Loads of people giving out about the extra traffic in the area.sorry but if you lived in that tower and worked in mahon there is no reason for you driving to work. Just pure laziness unless you have a disability.

EnzoScifo

A bus route from Mahon Point to Little Island through the tunnel should be prioritised

j8wk2feszrnpao

lisasimpson wrote: »

Loads of people giving out about the extra traffic in the area.sorry but if you lived in that tower and worked in mahon there is no reason for you driving to work. Just pure laziness unless you have a disability.

Given the housing shortage, plenty will live there and need to commute to Little Island/the City/Ringaskiddy. That will increase traffic.

Slim Charles

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Right. Other people doing their own thing. Doesn’t make them the sad one.

No, I am the sad one, because my wildest dream coming true isn't a furniture shop two hours away being 5 minutes away instead. In fact, any shop being a part of your dream coming true is pathetic.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Now, where's the submission for a decent light rail network in and around the Mahon area and into the city, running out to the hospitals and colleges? Because Bus Eireann is not good enough.

questionmark?

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Given the housing shortage, plenty will live there and need to commute to Little Island/the City/Ringaskiddy. That will increase traffic.

So what do you want? Don't build houses to help solve the housing crisis as it might increase traffic but then complain that there is nothing been done to solve the housing crises??

[Deleted User]

questionmark? wrote: »

So what do you want? Don't build houses to help solve the housing crisis as it might increase traffic but then complain that there is nothing been done to solve the housing crises??

Severely limit parking allowed in such developments. Only 1 space for a two/three bed apartment.
None for single bed places.

It will encourage those employed locally, or those willing to use public transport, to purchase/rent there

j8wk2feszrnpao

questionmark? wrote: »

So what do you want? Don't build houses to help solve the housing crisis as it might increase traffic but then complain that there is nothing been done to solve the housing crises??

What are you on about? I'm only pointing out that it will increase traffic; many people living there will not work in Mahon.
There's a housing shortage. Houses need to be built. I never said otherwise, so not sure why you are reading into something that wasn't said.

marno21

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Severely limit parking allowed in such developments. Only 1 space for a two/three bed apartment.
None for single bed places.

It will encourage those employed locally, or those willing to use public transport, to purchase/rent there

There's 400 spaces or so in this development, ~1 per apartment, mainly I believe due to regulations requiring 1 per apartment (which is driving up the costs of these sort of developments).

[Deleted User]

marno21 wrote: »

There's 400 spaces or so in this development, ~1 per apartment, mainly I believe due to regulations requiring 1 per apartment (which is driving up the costs of these sort of developments).

So no incentive for them to be local employees. Government (both local and national) keep talking about need for reduced traffic and more reliance on public transport yet still allow huge developments on already existing traffic choke points, without such a simple measure of restricting car ownership in such places.

marno21

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So no incentive for them to be local employees. Government (both local and national) keep talking about need for reduced traffic and more reliance on public transport yet still allow huge developments on already existing traffic choke points, without such a simple measure of restricting car ownership in such places.

In fairness they could be living there, working in Mahon but not commuting by car. Many people will still want a car for other purposes other than commuting to work

MrDerp

A bit of perspective folks.

All new developments increase traffic. Cork is planned for growth. The answer isn’t blocking development it’s meeting demands for public transport.

This development is a terminus for an every 15 minute service through a busy employment centre towards the city centre. The service can be increased if demand spikes. This transport corridor is being upgraded as we speak with proper bus lanes to keep things moving.

Markcheese

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Given the housing shortage, plenty will live there and need to commute to Little Island/the City/Ringaskiddy. That will increase traffic.

I've always though there should be a North and south ring shuttle bus, with stops at every junction, linking to a dunkettle park and ride,/coach train stop..
Possibly with hard shoulder running and protected stops...

titan18

questionmark? wrote:

So what do you want? Don't build houses to help solve the housing crisis as it might increase traffic but then complain that there is nothing been done to solve the housing crises??

Maybe build houses and plan out the supporting infrastructure in one go would be handy.

questionmark?

titan18 wrote: »

Maybe build houses and plan out the supporting infrastructure in one go would be handy.

Yes in a ideal world. However people still complain and object to anything new and big. Look at the M28 and the nimby brigade as a fine example.

who_me

Is there any scope for a bridge crossing somewhere from Mahon south-wards across the bay? So traffic to/from this development - and from Mahon Point etc. - could cut across instead of going onto the link, or onto the Well Road and funnelling through Douglas?

questionmark?

who_me wrote: »

Is there any scope for a bridge crossing somewhere from Mahon south-wards across the bay? So traffic to/from this development - and from Mahon Point etc. - could cut across instead of going onto the link, or onto the Well Road and funnelling through Douglas?

I say cost along with environmental issues would be a big stumbling block to that.

draiochtanois

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rounders

draiochtanois wrote: »

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By started, I presume you mean proposed?

Only bridge under construction at the moment is the Harley Street Bridge

draiochtanois

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rounders

draiochtanois wrote: »

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That is actually just access to the houses on the other side of the rail line. I got excited when I first seen that pop up too but unfortunatly not.

They only agreed the location of the bridge proposal in Feb.

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Location-of-new-Tivoli-train-station-and-Dockland-bridges-to-be-decided-98a974dc-4c1b-4b10-8b48-058c76c641a8-ds

who_me

Are there two proposed downstream bridges so - Tivoli and the Water Street bridge proposal?