Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

92,000 long-term unemployed. An extra weeks payment at Christmas will be great for retailers. Multiplier effect and all that. I don't begrudge them it. Expensive time of year plus it's hard to feel anger when I know I'll be getting a nice bonus from work as I have done since started in my present job.
Anyway guys to those that wish to bash away at the recipients I'm sure you'll feel better for it. ;-)

Always Be Closing

If you’re on illness benefit are you entitled to it?

Agricola

I think the frequency of these tiresome threads is a very good barometer of the economic success of the country.
We must be booming.

engiweirdo

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Yeah, pull your head out of your ar*e there. There are plenty of long, long term recipients of the dole who don’t want to work. They simply don’t. And it’s the rest of us footing the bill for them.

I know they exist, mostly they're on disability these days for one reason or another(no signing). They are not by any means the majority of SW recipients. Your recovery is working in Dublin alright but places like the South East are still running at recession rates of unemployment. Are they all just lazy fcukers too? There are plenty of lads who maybe not having had the head for re-education are long term unemployed through circumstance and now nearly unemployable at this stage. The neat little narrative of dole=lazy, is lazy bs.

screamer wrote: »

Couldn't care less what you guys think. It's pure disgraceful to give more money to people who won't work from our already over generous and over stretched welfare fund. Pensioners, disabled and genuine job seekers no problem but the work shy wasters, not a chance.

... and yet here you are...

TallGlass wrote: »

I was literally thinking this today. All the cuts we made, efforts made by all and they are all been reversed. Unless I missed something but are we not seriously still in a bad way as in we still owe out billions on billions of Euro.

I really can't understand it, we are literally walking into it again. FG at the wheel this time, FF on the hand break. If FF had any respect for us they would stop this mess for the sake of the people. Instead they want FG to create a similar mess so they are even.

The lads in Europe and Rest of the world must be looking on in disbelief at this ****.

It's like once one group got pay restored, they the whole house came down. No it's just constant indirect taxes or adjusting old ones, and the same group in the middle again constantly taking the hit. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Bertie was put back behind the wheel again.

Most of the rest of the continent has a worse budget deficit than Ireland has.

The gov isn't really accruing new debt... though isn't paying down existing debt either.

The government are pretty much breaking even.... the idea of running a surplus and paying down debt would give them an aneurysm.

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

I wonder what percentage of workers will get â‚¬600 tax free in to their hands just before Christmas?

Everyone in the company I work for will be getting far in excess of 600. Small company only 210 working for it. Doubt we are the only ones though.

Always Be Closing wrote: »

If you’re on illness benefit are you entitled to it?

yes

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Everyone in the company I work for will be getting far in excess of 600. Small company only 210 working for it. Doubt we are the only ones though.

Small companies don't have 210 people on the payroll.

Idbatterim wrote: »

It’s an appallingly run country. When the **** hits the fan again , lol! The last time national debt was minuscule, this time it’s off the wall. Next time round they really will be making “hard decisions “!

The hard decision at the moment is if the cap on bankers pay should be raised from 500k to 1m.

If that type of talk was mentioned in Greece, it would have sparked a riot. Us Irish are such push overs its unreal.

Grayson

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So €400 euro cash in hand just before Christmas from the dole office (actually probably 600 because i'm sure there will have to be an advance too?)

It's not right, simple as that. There is no moral or ethical argument for it when you think of the majority workers many of which are really struggling.

Utilitarianism, Contractualism, Duty based ethics, rights based ethics.... there's actually quite a few.

It is better to wait until inflation increases to pay down the debt. It was borrowed at very low fixed rates, and will be cheaper in real terms then.

Of course inflation might never get beyond 2 or 3 percent again. Back in the day when it was touching 20%, everything was supposed to be perfect if we ever got it down to 5%.

trixiebust

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Great another dole bashing thread, shove it up your arse.

This.

Feck off begrudgers.

BoJack Horseman wrote:

Small companies don't have 210 people on the payroll.

Compared to some of our competition we are small. Although one of the best at what we do.

Gatling

Hitman3000 wrote: »

92,000 long-term unemployed. An extra weeks payment at Christmas will be great for retailers. Multiplier effect and all that.

Imagine now that figure if they gave every worker a Christmas tax or cash top up equal to their weekly pay packets ,

Idbatterim wrote: »

Next time round they really will be making “hard decisions “!

In 2007 the national debt was €47bn
10 years later it broke past €200bn

A repeat of the 2008 recession will break the country.
No two ways about it.

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

In 2007 the national debt was €47bn
10 years later it broke past €200bn

A repeat of the 2008 recession will break the country.
No two ways about it.

If you think that's bad take a look at Japan.

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

The government are pretty much breaking even.... the idea of running a surplus and paying down debt would give them an aneurysm.

It's literally mind boggling. You save when the going is good. The effort was made to tidy things up and it's all just been undone as if things where fine back then.

I'd rather the debt be brought under control and down to a reasonable level, it's still far to high from what we are told. Or give it to services that badly need it.

TallGlass wrote: »

It's literally mind boggling. You save when the going is good. The effort was made to tidy things up and it's all just been undone as if things where fine back then.

I'd rather the debt be brought under control and down to a reasonable level, it's still far to high from what we are told. Or give it to services that badly need it.

The debt is under control, because tax income is now in line with spending. In the recent bad times, spending was 60 billion a year but tax income was only 30. Those are rough figures from memory.

Gatling wrote:

Imagine now that figure if they gave every worker a Christmas tax or cash top up equal to their weekly pay packets ,

What really intrigues me about threads like this is the level of moaning by some. Honestly if the dole is so great why isn't the unemployment rate higher. Like it's painted as a wonderful life. Seems strange anyone would choose work. 2.2 million people, myself included must be awful idiots .

Ned Led Zeppo

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

So lads... what are ye going to spend your hard earned bonus on? :pac:

The first round's on you:)

Yer Da sells Avon

I don't think I'm getting any Christmas bonus. Haven't heard anything about one anyway. The only day I'm guaranteed to have off is Christmas Day. But having been on the dole until very recently, I feel so happy and lucky to have a job. Not working was a fucking miserable, shitty existence that nearly drove me to suicide, and there is not a chance that I'll begrudge anyone less fortunate than me a bit of extra money at Christmas.

If it bothers some of you so much, why don't you stop whinging and quit your jobs? Get a 'free house' while you're at it. Let's face it, your colleagues would be only delighted... I mean, we just have to read your poxy words; those poor fuckers probably have to tolerate your miserable, whiny voices in person, God help them.

Assetbacked

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I wonder what percentage of workers will get €600 tax free in to their hands just before Christmas?

There does not seem to be anything meaningful by way of tax breaks for workers. Apparently inflation will cripple the economy if that happens. Such nonsense - FG are going to pay at the polls in the next election. They have not helped workers one bit.

Ned Led Zeppo wrote: »

The first round's on you:)

Every man woman and child is spending €1300 a year on alcohol, 6 billion in total. And we spend the most in Europe per head on Christmas.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Ned Led Zeppo wrote: »

The first round's on you:)

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The debt is under control, because tax income is now in line with spending. In the recent bad times, spending was 60 billion a year but tax income was only 30. Those are rough figures from memory.

I don't trust a word they tell us to be honest. I believe what your saying. It's under control. Except that's for now. One bad move from Ireland or Britain leaving the EU, or some other worldwide event and we could be in serious trouble. I think also we are far to reliant on tech for jobs. If a bubble was to happen again. It wouldn't be pretty.

We have done great work and it's just been turned on it head, lashing out bonuses for Christmas or reversing cuts left, right and centre is a poor future proofing.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Every man woman and child is spending €1300 a year on alcohol, 6 billion in total. And we spend the most in Europe per head on Christmas.

Children lol. You've to be over 18 to drink !

PTH2009

I'm on x's and o's and will most likely get nothing as I might be over just over the 20 hour Iimit for the week

engiweirdo

TallGlass wrote: »

Children lol. You've to be over 18 to drink !

When did that ever stop anyone?