armchaircoach wrote: » The ‘on the run’ chat between the match officials and TMO for foul play will be removed This part in particular is massively at odds with player welfare. As long as the ref is faceing the other way you can have a cheap shot at a player. Expect to see plenty of late charges on Johnny during the November tests
randomname2005 wrote: » Read something interesting regarding the harlequins try, the ref was checking to see if the ball had crossed the line. I didn't think that mattered. Learn something new everyday
MaybeMaybe wrote: » didn't matter in 2011 during the Leinster v Toulouse when the ball bounced in the in goal area. what's the law that says it matters now?
randomname2005 wrote: » The ref says something along the lines of "the ball hasn't crossed the line but I want to make sure they were all onside". Maybe he means over the bar rather than anywhere along the try line. (Originally read it on https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/1007/1001498-quins-joe-marchant-scores-remarkable-try-in-defeat/ )
MaybeMaybe wrote: didn't matter in 2011 during the Leinster v Toulouse when the ball bounced in the in goal area. what's the law that says it matters now?
Losty Dublin wrote: » By Law you can't choose to place kick and not not have a genuine go for goal. However there's no set offence for not having a go. Offside is an easy one to catch chasers out with if you want something. Fair play to the referee here; he knew it was an unusual one to make a call on but he got it spot on with a correct use of technology. No offside law to worry about In Goal.
pickarooney wrote: » Reffed my first training game today and there was one incident where I awarded a try despite some protestations. Player was tackled short of the line and touched the ball down just short of the line. He then pushed/rolled the ball into the line without moving his body or losing control of the ball. Is this a legitimate repositioning of the ball, a double movement, a knock on or something else?
prawnsambo wrote: » That's fine. Double movement isn't actually a rugby union law. The actual law is releasing the ball in the tackle. Since there's always time allowed for a tackled player to place the ball, a try scored in the way you describe is fine.
pickarooney wrote: Reffed my first training game today.
Statement from World Rugby World Rugby has further strengthened its commitment to injury prevention by announcing details of a zero-tolerance approach to reckless and accidental head contact in the sport. While injuries in the game are not on the rise, the federation continues to be proactive in furthering evidence-based strategies to reduce injury risk for all players. In a change to law, World Rugby has redefined illegal (high) tackle categories and increased sanctions to deter high tackles via a law application guideline. This will apply at all levels of the game from 3 January 2017 introducing minimum on-field sanctions for reckless and accidental contact with the head, effectively lowering the acceptable height of the tackle. The guideline will be supported with a global education programme. The approach, approved by the World Rugby Council after extensive expert, independent and union evaluation, combines with new disciplinary sanctions and a re-focus of match officials on dangerous play. It will provide a package of measures that aims to change culture in the sport to ensure that the head is a no-go area. From 3 January, two new categories of dangerous tackles will carry penalty offences to deter and eradicate high tackles: Reckless tackle A player is deemed to have made reckless contact during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game if in making contact, the player knew or should have known that there was a risk of making contact with the head of an opponent, but did so anyway. This sanction applies even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. This type of contact also applies to grabbing and rolling or twisting around the head/neck area even if the contact starts below the line of the shoulders. Minimum sanction: Yellow card Maximum sanction: Red card Accidental tackle When making contact with another player during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game, if a player makes accidental contact with an opponent’s head, either directly or where the contact starts below the line of the shoulders, the player may still be sanctioned. This includes situations where the ball-carrier slips into the tackle. Minimum sanction: Penalty Please note Disciplinary Panels have been alerted to the revised World Rugby Regulation 17 sanctions (PDF attached to this email). Specific changes to Law 10.4(e) Dangerous tackling of an opponent has been highlighted below. 10.4(e) Dangerous tackling of an Opponent including: (i) a tackle or attempted tackle above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders; (ii) grabbing and rolling/twisting around the head/neck area even if the contact starts below the line of the shoulders. LE – 2 weeks MR – 6 weeks TE – 10+ weeks (A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-end entry point sanction 52 weeks) Link to educational video from World Rugby: http://www.worldrugby.org/video/213346
errlloyd wrote: » Does world rugby have site anywhere that has a list of changes to laws and interpretations they've brought in through the professional era? Watching Podcasts like Squides and the Molecast it is interesting to hear how entire teams have their gameplans become obsolete because of small law changes, so I wanted to go further into it.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Match official focus areas as agreed and calibrated in advance of the upcoming tests following a meeting between coaches and refs this week. Scrum: The match officials are looking for infringements including pre-engagement, pushing early, crooked feeds, non-hooking and wheeling Lineout: The match officials are looking for infringements including closing, stepping or running into the gap before the ball is thrown in Space: Match officials are looking for infringements that close space, including from kick-offs and kicks and at the tackle/ruck and maul Penalty tries: A penalty try will be awarded if an act of foul play prevents a probable try Foul play: Match officials will be vigilant for ball carriers who lead into contact with the elbow or forearm to the neck or head, no arms tackles (Law 9.16), high tackles (Law 9.13), neck rolls and ruck-charging
Bazzo wrote: » Is it just me or has the reffing around the attacking team flying in off their feet at the breakdown and also entering from the side become quite lax?
sydthebeat wrote: » "in off their feet" is never illegal, once your rucking someone...... Sealing off is illegal as it prevents the contest... Which s doesn't happen that often and is called pretty quickly by referees as its obvious.
Bazzo wrote: » 15.5 An arriving player must be on their feet and join from behind their offside line. I'm talking about players flying at a ruck and diving into it to prevent someone contesting the ball, I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure it's completely illegal, and I've seen it happening loads over the weekend and more and more over the past while.
sydthebeat wrote: » They have to be on their feet to arrive at the ruck.... They then ruck defenders and more often than not both players end up on the ground. If they dive in and prevent a contest by sealing it off then it's a penalty, but as I said I don't think it's a major issue, and is called when it's obvious
Bazzo wrote: » Yeah, cheers but I am aware of how a ruck should normally work.... we're talking about two completely different situations, you're discussing a normal ruck whereas I'm talking about a member of the attacking team diving at a ruck to remove a player contesting the ball or a player who is threatening to counter ruck over, definitely not joining on their feet. A couple years ago you saw penalties being blown for clearouts you see every weekend now.
sydthebeat wrote: » Nope im talking about that exact situation. Players are taught to clear a ruck like an airplane taking off, so starting low and driving upwards. You'll often hear he who is lowest wins the ruck. Its a result of the jackle becoming so prominent in the game thrse days. 30 years ago it didn't feature must at all, as rucks were real wrestling contests
Captain_Crash wrote: » Played a game yesterday and the ref was giving penalties every time a tackled player placed the ball back between their legs (squeezing he called it), I've never in my life seen anyone pinged for it either professional or amateur. Was he making up his own laws with this?
prawnsambo wrote: » It is illegal up to 19s, but in senior rugby only illegal if the ball isn't immediately available. In other words, it has to be passed back quickly or it's holding on. Edit: Good video examples here.
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