aloyisious wrote: » I see that Peter Fitzpatrick, the TD for Louth, has resigned the FG whip and left the party. His resignation letter states that for some time now, he's felt isolated within the party, that over the past 15 months he's not been given the same support from F/G that he, as a team-player, gave it, even when he did not agree with the party he supported it. Headlines of the Irish Times article covering his resignation - Louth TD Peter Fitzpatrick resigns from Fine Gael party. Anti-abortion deputy was member of Oireachtas committee on Eighth Amendment. Link.. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/louth-td-peter-fitzpatrick-resigns-from-fine-gael-party-1.3648207 This resignation comes within days of the Govt release of its intended legislation in respect of abortion here.
Igotadose wrote: » One down.
Anti-abortion campaigners are lobbying to make it mandatory for a burial to be held after a pregnancy is terminated.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » An illustration of the disarray of the pr-lifers that they're advocating craziness like this:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pro-life-activists-want-tds-to-place-obstacles-in-abortion-bill-hj9pd2qd8
aloyisious wrote: » I think that came from the US anti-abortion rulebook whereby it was made compulsory in respect to abortion clinics there, in a legalistic "use of building" requirement move, all part of the harassment to stymie the clinics helping pregnant women in their hour of need - how the clinics must treat the "childs body" with respect.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » They do seem to follow the American pro-life playbook pretty closely, regardless of well a particular tactic suits the Irish context. Another example was Ronan Mullen calling for Irish women seeking abortions to be required to look at a scan of their foetus.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » So will "natural" miscarriages go in the medical waste or down the toilet like they do now?
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Another example was Ronan Mullen calling for Irish women seeking abortions to be required to look at a scan of their foetus.
Anti-abortion doctors have lobbied the government to remove any requirement to transfer women seeking a termination to another doctor. Dr Kirsten Fuller, spokesperson for Doctors for Freedom of Conscience estimates that "several hundred" doctors objected to this. She told the BBC: "We don't want to thwart the referendum result, we're just asking that we're given freedom of conscience in the truest form where we don't have to refer to another doctor." "Abortion is the ending of a human life and we don't want to partake in that in any sense." "We want to continue to give compassionate care to all mothers and their children," she said.
Igotadose wrote: » Force them to name names. Who are the members of this group and where's their website
end of the road wrote: » Igotadose wrote: » Force them to name names. Who are the members of this group and where's their website they can't be forced to give their names. they are entitled to remain anonymous if they wish.
Igotadose wrote: » Then we must assume the organization doesn't exist. It's prolife ergo a bunch of liars.
end of the road wrote: » Igotadose wrote: » Then we must assume the organization doesn't exist. It's prolife ergo a bunch of liars. if the organisation does exist, it is pro-life, but not a bunch of liers
end of the road wrote: » they can't be forced to give their names. they are entitled to remain anonymous if they wish.
Igotadose wrote: » Well until we know it exists, it's safe to assume it doesn't. And as we learned from the referendum, claims of numbers of gps or lawyers or dogcatchers by the antiwomen side are always exaggerated. Personally will be following up with my TD to kearn about this "organization"
aloyisious wrote: » What, you believe that doctors belonging to or holding the same beliefs on abortion as a group of dedicated believers in the war on abortion would want to hide their moral position under a bushel as if ashamed of it? The answer is in front of the person who is declined service: go to another doctor and let other people know of the personal position of the doctor/clinic on abortion so no other woman goes to the clinic to be refused and save the doctor the embarrassment of turning them away from his/her surgery.
end of the road wrote: » however it must be up to them as to whether they want to express it or hide it.
wench wrote: » Why? Surely their potential patients have a right to know their position before wasting their time and money going to see them?
end of the road wrote: » i can't say whether an individual doctor would or wouldn't want to hide their view. however it must be up to them as to whether they want to express it or hide it.
end of the road wrote: » there is no anti-woman side. i saw nothing to say or prove any of the numbers put out by pro-life during the referendum were exaggerated. i can't say whether an individual doctor would or wouldn't want to hide their view. however it must be up to them as to whether they want to express it or hide it.
Bannasidhe wrote: » I would assume that such doctors would refund any consultation fee. It would be a bit rich to charge someone for a refusal to perform a service.
