Xcellor wrote: » Is it that different to what is done every day in slaughter houses? Throat cut, skinned and hung up? We brand whoever did this sick but and find it disgusting but yet the stuff that happens every day behind closed doors is fine. Cognitive dissonance.
Xcellor wrote: » There is no humane reason to kill something that doesn't need to die.
Rave.ef wrote: » I'd eat that.... den again I just love meat:D
Xcellor wrote: » We kill baby cows, baby sheep and if you like eggs more than likely it supports this process. Grinding up live chicks. There is no humane way to kill something that doesn't want to die. There is no humane reason to kill something that doesn't need to die. The chicks above aren't even used in food. Their were born male and can't be profitably exploited. As sick as the OPs article is, it's sicker to me that society at large condones abusive/exploitative murder of other non-human animals.
freshpopcorn wrote: » I love how people try and turn you off meat with a picture. Another thing I'm aware of is when people say they worked in a meat factory at some stage and they'll have a story about how it turned them off meat. The people I know who comes out with this were always very squeamish in the first place. One even just worked in a packaging place.
wakka12 wrote: » Not really, killing a sheep for fun and mutilating its body and leaving iton display is not the same
gozunda wrote: » Surprise surprise another vegan hijack This from a poster who claims he is not a vegan .... and then does. :rolleyes:
Xcellor wrote: » Grinding up live chicks.
Xcellor wrote: » I never claimed I wasn't a vegan. If I made that impression apologies. Like most vegans I was raised eating the only diet I knew, meat and dairy. It was required to be healthy and I believed the humane argument. I used to mock vegans. Stupid crazy tree huggers. My favourite food was a big juicy red steak and I loved chicken wings with red hot sauce. I ate milk chocolate and made a great egg fried rice. I was the anti vegan. A meal wasn't a meal without meat and those vegetables around the plate were decorative mostly. Surprisingly I changed. Anyone can do it, whether for the ethics, for health there are enough reasons to give it a try.
Xcellor wrote: » We kill baby cows, baby sheep and if you like eggs more than likely it supports this process. Grinding up live chicks. WARNING: Not for the squeamish https://i.imgur.com/MzMo4JA.gif There is no humane way to kill something that doesn't want to die. There is no humane reason to kill something that doesn't need to die. The chicks above aren't even used in food. Their were born male and can't be profitably exploited. As sick as the OPs article is, it's sicker to me that society at large condones abusive/exploitative murder of other non-human animals.
Buford T. Justice V wrote: » Says the lads that yank baby carrots from their friends, skin them while alive, chop them up and finish them off in boiling water. Sometimes don't even kill them before eating them? Am I doing this right?:pac:
Buford T. Justice V wrote: » Says the lads that yank baby carrots from their friends, skin them while alive, chop them up and finish them off in boiling water. Sometimes don't even kill them before eating them?Am I doing this right?:pac:
archer22 wrote: » No to be honest with you...your'e putting up a shyte argument.
gozunda wrote: » So your saying it's the same as the vegan arguments then?
lalababa wrote: » Sounds like a butchering interrupted to be honest.
Xcellor wrote: » We kill animals for entertainment too. Some get killed participating in the activity - a day at the races, some get killed as a requirement to the sport - bullfighting. You seem to think mutilating and leaving on display is disrespectful. You are right. It's disgusting and unnneccessary but so is killing it, skinning it and chopping it up into pieces in a slaughter house even if we intend to eat it.
cormie wrote: » What about jacking off a bull and fisting a cow to make the cow pregnant, to then steel their baby from them (for veal or for them to meet the same destiny as the mother) to then further molest their teats to take their milk, which was meant for their baby? All perfectly legal. Also if you think stunning and slitting the throat of a panicking cow is an easy and efficient process, you should watch some footage of it. Even just look at the atrocities committed in the wool industries, again, not dissimilar to the article above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siTvjWE2aVw
archer22 wrote: » Only if for some bizarre reason you can't see the difference between a sheep, a Chicken or a Carrot!
ganmo wrote: » This needs to be seenhttps://twitter.com/mathewwilko/status/1035047431547760640?s=21
cormie wrote: » This isn't much different than systemic practices used to get animal products to consumers....
cormie wrote: » All the leading world dietetic associations agree that a diet void of animal products is not only sufficient for all stages of life including infancy and pregnancy, but can help avoid some of the common killer diseases that animal proteins and fats play such a huge part in.
cormie wrote: » If you agree with the basic moral principle that causing harm, where harm isn't necessary, is wrong, and can trust the leading dietetic associations, then consider that any such use of animals can't be considered a need, and if your want (taste, texture, culture, tradition) takes away the need (survival, a life void of interference) of another, then you've already agreed that the use of another life for your want is wrong.
cormie wrote: » This is a great reality check as to what happens on free range, organic, high welfare, red tractor approved and RSPCA approved farms:https://www.landofhopeandglory.org/
gozunda wrote: » I am interested why many vegans claim to have been huge meat eaters - (juicy steak, wings, chocolate, egg fried rice etc) ever before turning vegan. I don't think I have ever came across one that ate a regular mixed diet or maybe had meat once or twice a day at most. My health and ethics are just fine... The way that sheep was kilked was nothing like how animals are killed in controled conditions and in places which are supervised by DoA vetinary inspectors. Saying otherwise is dishonest or just plain misinformed tbh
cocaliquid wrote: » Nothing to do with Ireland never seen that happen on a Farm here
ganmo wrote: » this is what proper shearing is like
gozunda wrote: » (1) Pure and unadulterated vegan bs I'm afraid. Animals at slaughter are always stunned. The process is overseen by vetinary inspectors and inspected from farm to fork. So no it's nothing like what happened to the sheep concerned. I hope they catch the barsteward ....(2) As copied by every vegan ever. Seriously is there a vegan bible out there that vegans copy such absolute misinformation and pseudo science word for word?(3) No cormie I do not agere with that sound bite philosophy. More vegan bs nonsensencial wordisms(4) Ahh I thought you'd get to some propaganda like this. Thanks The problem with that vegan film is that the vegans who made that allegedly filmed scenes of poor animal welfare in the UK, and never even bothered contacting the authorities. To fail to report same is inexcusable imo. To use such video footage and newspaper reports of mutilated sheep to promote veganism as you do above is the reason that 'veganism' is a busted boot for most right thinking people out there.https://www.rspcaassured.org.uk/land-of-hope-and-glory-film
cormie wrote: » I was never a big meat eater at all. I ....
gozunda wrote: » So said every other vegan preacher ever. :rolleyes: Ffs I've read the same drivel so many times on Boards and elsewhere it's ridiculous. Stop watcing the stupid propaganda videos and trust me you'll find you feel a lot better. This is a story about a sheep and not some daft personal belief system. Thanks....
Women's place is the home. They should raise children - that's their job. They shouldn't vote. They should be subservient and obey without question their husband. If they don't listen to their husband they should be beaten. They should submit to their husband whenever he desires. They shouldn't drive. They shouldn't have a job. They should be circumcised. They aren't as smart as men, as strong or as capable - so are lesser. If they engage in sex outside of marriage they should be shunned - perhaps stoned. If they get pregnant outside of wedlock they should be sent away and their child taken away from them.
Xcellor wrote: » Ethics develop and evolve, science, understanding and compassion shape them. What we believed was acceptable - even legitimate and required are now for the most part accepted as abhorrent or repulsive. Compare the ethics of today versus what was perfectly normal by societies stand point not that long ago (and unfortunately some of these practices still exist. Disgusting by today's stand point and only one of many examples of where ethics have changed and developed. But they only changed because a few stood up and challenged the status quo.Science has revealed our non human animal cousins share characteristics of sentient life. They want to live, they feel pain, they react to fear and they have a strong desire to survive. This is not propaganda any more than the exposing and challenging of bigoted sexist beliefs was propaganda in the past.
Reati wrote: » Everytime a vegan thread starts it makes me want a meat feast pizza from a chipper that closed down in carlow. One of every meat on a 12 inch pizza.
