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The Academies

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List of every player currently in one of the four Irish academies.

Loosehead Ed Byrne
Loosehead Jack O'Connell
Loosehead Kyle McCall
Loosehead Finlay Bealham
Loosehead James Cronin
Loosehead/Hooker James Treacy
Hooker Niall Scannell
Hooker Brian Byrne
Hooker David Doyle
Hooker Jonny Murphy
Hooker Kevin O'Byrne
Hooker Duncan Casey
Hooker James Rael
Tighthead Martin Moore
Tighthead Tadhg Furlong
Tighthead Conor Carey
Tighthead Jake Caulfield
Tighthead Jamie Dever
Tighthead Peter Reilly
Lock Cathal O'Flaherty
Lock Tadhg Beirne
Lock Gavin Thornbury
Lock Alan O'Connor
Lock James Simpson
Lock Daniel Qualter
Lock Ultan Dilane
Lock Philip Donnellan
Lock Brian Hayes
Flanker/Lock Ben Marshall
Flanker Dan Leavy
Flanker Conor Gilsenan
Flanker Josh Van Der Flier
Flanker Jordi Murphy
Flanker Conor Joyce
Flanker Neil Faloon
Flanker Aaron Conneely
Flanker David Heffernan
Flanker Jonathan Gardiner
Flanker Shane Buckley
Flanker Ryan Murphy
Eight Jack Conan
Eight Sean O'Connell
Eight Jack O'Donoghue
Scrum Half Luke McGrath
Scrum Half Marcus Walsh
Scrum Half Kieran Marmion(may have signed a non academy contract recently)
Scrum Half Brian Haugh
Outhalf Cathal Marsh
Outhalf Noel Reid
Outhalf Stuart Olding
Outhalf Jack Carty
Outhalf Tadgh Leader
Outhalf Johnny Holland
Centre Cian Bohane
Centre Jordan Coughlan
Centre Colm O'Shea
Centre Chris Farrell
Centre Corey Hircock
Centre Harry McNulty
Centre/Fullback Robbie Henshaw(may have signed a non academy contract recently)
Wing Andrew Boyle
Wing Sam Coughlan Murray
Wing Conor Finn
Wing Steve Macauley
Wing Ronan O'Mahony
Wing/Fullback Darren Hudson
Wing/Fullback Darren Moroney
Fullback Mikey Sherlock*(not sure about his status)
Fullback Rory Scholes
Fullback Peter Nelson
Fullback Ricky Andrew
Fullback Shane Layden
Fullback Darragh Leader
Fullback Darren Sweetnam

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Heymans

shaungil wrote: »

You could argue that club players that get to that level are almost a better bet because they haven't had the semi professional environment for 6 years and so their potential ability to improve is far higher as they enter the professional environment.

The problem is they don't get to that level. They are noticeably below their peers from schools background. At least that's what the results say when the youths take on the schools teams.

iminterestd0

Heymans wrote: »

Whats Barrons and Kellehers throwing like?

Good enough, but room for improvement like most at their age.

shaungil

You could argue that club players that get to that level are almost a better bet because they haven't had the semi professional environment for 6 years and so their potential ability to improve is far higher as they enter the professional environment.

Quin_Dub

Heymans wrote: »

If that's case how do you explain the Michael's SCT hockeying the Belvo U20's last season 56 -0. I doubt the standard at AIL level is as good as schools. Certainly there's not the commitment there from players as there would be in school training every day. Going on to play adult rugby is a hobby - playing schools is a vocation.

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Michaels SCT side had several future pros, Belvo 20s had none.

I'd also be fairly confident that the overwhelming majority of that Belvo U20's were "schools" players..which sort of defeats the point being made

If there were more than 1 or 2 "Club only" players on that Belvo side I'd be shocked..

Tarf1234

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Heymans wrote: »

If that's case how do you explain the Michael's SCT hockeying the Belvo U20's last season 56 -0. I doubt the standard at AIL level is as good as schools. Certainly there's not the commitment there from players as there would be in school training every day. Going on to play adult rugby is a hobby - playing schools is a vocation.

Michaels SCT side had several future pros, Belvo 20s had none.

Belvo were prem 2 also... silly argument/idiot to get involved with but so be it. 20s are not going to take a friendly anywhere near as seriously as a schools team.

iminterestd0

Heymans wrote: »

If that's case how do you explain the Michael's SCT hockeying the Belvo U20's last season 56 -0. I doubt the standard at AIL level is as good as schools. Certainly there's not the commitment there from players as there would be in school training every day. Going on to play adult rugby is a hobby - playing schools is a vocation.

Michaels SCT side had several future pros, Belvo 20s had none.

Heymans

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

In many clubs kids between their club, their school and the top players in regional/provincial squads are getting as much training as any schools player and if theyve turned 18 while still in secondary school and in a stronger club they can play adult rugby well above school standards.

If that's case how do you explain the Michael's SCT hockeying the Belvo U20's last season 56 -0. I doubt the standard at AIL level is as good as schools. Certainly there's not the commitment there from players as there would be in school training every day. Going on to play adult rugby is a hobby - playing schools is a vocation.

The Lost Sheep

Heymans wrote: »

Rubbish. Clubs are far behind schools in coaching standards. Certainly the consistency a schools players gets coaching is far more frequent than club players. And then there's all the analysis that goes along with schools rugby - this doesn't happen at club level. On top of that there is the S & C that goes on in schools that deosn't happen in clubs. There is no comaparrisson of the workload a schools player does versus club.

In many clubs kids between their club, their school and the top players in regional/provincial squads are getting as much training as any schools player and if theyve turned 18 while still in secondary school and in a stronger club they can play adult rugby well above school standards.

Heymans

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

You said there is a buffer. There isnt.
You said kids from youths rugby arent playing to same standard for first 14 years that is completely untrue. Overwhelming majority of kids start playing rugby in rugby clubs playing mini rugby there
We are seeing more and more progress from youths rugby and the top players between their clubs and leinster squads are getting as much/as good training as the schools..
And players are certainly picked on a meritocratic basis.

Rubbish. Clubs are far behind schools in coaching standards. Certainly the consistency a schools players gets coaching is far more frequent than club players. And then there's all the analysis that goes along with schools rugby - this doesn't happen at club level. On top of that there is the S & C that goes on in schools that deosn't happen in clubs. There is no comaparrisson of the workload a schools player does versus club.

The Lost Sheep

Heymans wrote: »

Of course it's not nonsense. It is in fact very true to say that. Point to me a club competition that equals the Leinster senior or Junior Cups. There is so much prestige associated with the Cups that schools literally do everything in their power to win it. That involves much larger populations than are associated at one man and his dog clubs.

The level to which schools players are coached is close to professional - you don't see that with clubs and you can't see it with clubs who only coach in the evening times. For those who start their minis in clubs there is a gaping hole in the gap between lining out for your club on the weekend to training day in and day out with your school to fight for representing them in the Cup.

All in all there is a wide chasm between the two and the club players are molly coddled by the big wigs in Leinster Rugby to make themselves feel they are reaching outside the main catchment areas and are doing more for the game. It's nonsense and players should be picked on meritocracy.

You said there is a buffer. There isnt.
You said kids from youths rugby arent playing to same standard for first 14 years that is completely untrue. Overwhelming majority of kids start playing rugby in rugby clubs playing mini rugby there
We are seeing more and more progress from youths rugby and the top players between their clubs and leinster squads are getting as much/as good training as the schools..
And players are certainly picked on a meritocratic basis.

Heymans

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

That isnt true at all.
And where are you getting 14 years from? Majority of kids in rugby schools start their rugby in mini rugby and even first year of youths rugby in rugby clubs.
And not playing the schools cup doesnt at all mean theyre not tried or tested. That is a load of nonsense to suggest that.

Of course it's not nonsense. It is in fact very true to say that. Point to me a club competition that equals the Leinster senior or Junior Cups. There is so much prestige associated with the Cups that schools literally do everything in their power to win it. That involves much larger populations than are associated at one man and his dog clubs.

The level to which schools players are coached is close to professional - you don't see that with clubs and you can't see it with clubs who only coach in the evening times. For those who start their minis in clubs there is a gaping hole in the gap between lining out for your club on the weekend to training day in and day out with your school to fight for representing them in the Cup.

All in all there is a wide chasm between the two and the club players are molly coddled by the big wigs in Leinster Rugby to make themselves feel they are reaching outside the main catchment areas and are doing more for the game. It's nonsense and players should be picked on meritocracy.

iminterestd0

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

That isnt true at all.
And where are you getting 14 years from? Majority of kids in rugby schools start their rugby in mini rugby and even first year of youths rugby in rugby clubs.
And not playing the schools cup doesnt at all mean theyre not tried or tested. That is a load of nonsense to suggest that.

He is a troll, why bother?

The Lost Sheep

Heymans wrote: »

You get the feeling that there is a buffer put in place for Club players. They don't play to the same level as schools players for the first 14 years of their rugby playing life and therefore are not tried and tested under pressure. I can't help but feel they are molly coddled to "spread" the game further. Kind of like socialism. They are allowed to develop better than schools players who lose conditioning due to overplay.

That isnt true at all.
And where are you getting 14 years from? Majority of kids in rugby schools start their rugby in mini rugby and even first year of youths rugby in rugby clubs.
And not playing the schools cup doesnt at all mean theyre not tried or tested. That is a load of nonsense to suggest that.

iminterestd0

Anyway...

Best halfbacks; Ben Murphy and David Fitzgibbon?

Heymans

iminterestd0 wrote: »

It was a weak club age group for the leinster 20's, only 3 players in squad:

Daragh Bolger(Prop/Clontarf)
Declan Adamson(Hooker/Clontarf)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Athy/Lansdowne)

The u19's were very strong with club players:

Marcus Hanan(Prop/Clane)
Charlie Ward(Prop/Tullow/Clontarf)
Harry Noonan(Prop/Greystones/Old Wesley)
Mark Nicholson(Hooker/Wicklow)
Luke Thompson(Hooker/Wicklow/Lansdowne)
Brian Deeny(Lock/Wexford/Clontarf)
Shane Murphy(Scrumhalf/Skerries)
Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/Wicklow/Old Wesley)
Mikey McGiff(Centre/Clontarf)
Luis Faria(Centre/Wanderers/DUFC)
Matthew Jungmann(Wing/Seapoint)

You get the feeling that there is a buffer put in place for Club players. They don't play to the same level as schools players for the first 14 years of their rugby playing life and therefore are not tried and tested under pressure. I can't help but feel they are molly coddled to "spread" the game further. Kind of like socialism. They are allowed to develop better than schools players who lose conditioning due to overplay.

iminterestd0

It was a weak club age group for the leinster 20's, only 3 players in squad:

Daragh Bolger(Prop/Clontarf)
Declan Adamson(Hooker/Clontarf)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Athy/Lansdowne)

The u19's were very strong with club players:

Marcus Hanan(Prop/Clane)
Charlie Ward(Prop/Tullow/Clontarf)
Harry Noonan(Prop/Greystones/Old Wesley)
Mark Nicholson(Hooker/Wicklow)
Luke Thompson(Hooker/Wicklow/Lansdowne)
Brian Deeny(Lock/Wexford/Clontarf)
Shane Murphy(Scrumhalf/Skerries)
Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/Wicklow/Old Wesley)
Mikey McGiff(Centre/Clontarf)
Luis Faria(Centre/Wanderers/DUFC)
Matthew Jungmann(Wing/Seapoint)

iminterestd0

Ayewserious wrote: »

Is Byron not in the sub academy?

He was with development squad, not sure about sub-academy, you'd assume he is.

Ayewserious

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19
Charlie Ward(TH Prop/Clontarf/Tullow) - u19

Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)
John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)
Mark Fleming(Backrow/UCD/Glenstal)

Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

David Ryan(Centre/UCD/St. Michaels)
Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

Is Byron not in the sub academy?

Heymans

iminterestd0 wrote: »

On outhalf, they have plenty of talent coming through, obviously replacing Sexton will be near impossible but they are producing talented 10's

Ross Byrne(23)
Ciaran Frawley(20)
Harry Byrne(19)
David Hawkshaw(U20)

Hooker on the otherhand is weak below Kelleher, they've brought in McKee from Ulster so I'm guessing they are hoping he could be the next player into academy, Barron in schools otherwise but he is several years away. But he could be a candidate to join the academy straight from school.

Whats Barrons and Kellehers throwing like?

iminterestd0

On outhalf, they have plenty of talent coming through, obviously replacing Sexton will be near impossible but they are producing talented 10's

Ross Byrne(23)
Ciaran Frawley(20)
Harry Byrne(19)
David Hawkshaw(U20)

Hooker on the otherhand is weak below Kelleher, they've brought in McKee from Ulster so I'm guessing they are hoping he could be the next player into academy, Barron in schools otherwise but he is several years away. But he could be a candidate to join the academy straight from school.

iminterestd0

I don't see either Jimmy or Conor O'Brien as future stars at centre, but could develop into good squad players.

Tommy O'Brien has star potential but i'm not sure at what position.

Outside the academy Karl Martin looks the best prospect but he is only under-17.

Turner's future is on the wing, while Ryan doesn't do any one thing outstandingly despite his size.

Heymans

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Is centre the weakest area in Leinster underage rugby?

What do you make of the O'Briens coming through. Any of them have real potential to be centre for Leinster? Also thought Mullin was a bit on the small side to be considered as a prospect going forward. Then you have Ryan and Turner - Turner very small and Ryan not being athletic enough although he could make into one of those rangy tall centres that have done so well in the late '90's and early 2000's. All in all I'm not convinced we have any potential superstar internationals coming through in that area although I have been known to get it wrong.

Other areas of weakness or at least limited depth are hooker and flyhalf. I'm not convinced by whats coming through at flyhalf but I suppose you have to give players room to develop and they can become great players with the right management. For me great flyhalves can run and also get involved defensively in turning over ruck ball - Hawkshaw looks the best prospect we have coming through in this regard.

iminterestd0

Is centre the weakest area in Leinster underage rugby?

iminterestd0

DonVito wrote: »

Surprised we haven't seen or heard anything more of the 'Rock wingers - McMahon and Donnelly. Also, I was expecting a lot from John Maher.

Maher limited by his size.

Rock wingers too one dimensional.

DonVito

Surprised we haven't seen or heard anything more of the 'Rock wingers - McMahon and Donnelly. Also, I was expecting a lot from John Maher.

iminterestd0

Top 5 non-academy wing prospects in leinster rugby?

1. Liam Turner
2. Tom Maher
3. Andrew Smith
4. Matt Grogan
5. Mark O'Brien

iminterestd0

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19
Charlie Ward(TH Prop/Clontarf/Tullow) - u19

Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)
John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)
Mark Fleming(Backrow/UCD/Glenstal)

Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

David Ryan(Centre/UCD/St. Michaels)
Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

iminterestd0

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Updated/added more - Brian Deeny in Tarf and played at the weekend

Sorry had heard he was in trinity. Thanks.

Tarf1234

iminterestd0 wrote: »

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19

John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19
Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)

Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)

Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

Updated/added more - Brian Deeny in Tarf and played at the weekend

iminterestd0

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19

John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)

Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)

Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

added more players.