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NEW 2018 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

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chrismean

Sheeeessh, those shl practice numerical tests - the questions themselves, i acknowledge are not impossible. but the time pressure....25 mins - 18 questions. yikes. anyone else struggle?

Crunchymomma

Can we do them separately, ie verbal now, numerical tomorrow and situational the next day? Or do they have to be done one after the other

Crunchymomma

uncleiano wrote: »

So are the shl practice tests typical style of the questions we will get? I only ask as there are so many variations of numerical and reasoning tests out there. Is there any idea what a pass score for both would be or how many questions they will have?

Yeah, shl are the test suppliers so the style will be very similar to the practise ones. I do think any shl ones I hsve done though hsve been more graph based but I have never done one for this management level before

lapua20grain

Luckyduck78 wrote: »

Anyone can just have a bad day doing one of these tests.

Just got word today they want to interview so must have done okay its a Pharma company so quite high standards.

ThumbTaxed

Does anyone have a link to a site where you can practice situational awareness ones AND get answers?

Crunchymomma

Test links out

uncleiano

So are the shl practice tests typical style of the questions we will get? I only ask as there are so many variations of numerical and reasoning tests out there. Is there any idea what a pass score for both would be or how many questions they will have?

gerrybbadd

Jesus those tests aren't what i expected - bring back the Cut - E tests!

BobCat123

After the shortlisting of forms,are people then callled for a second round of tests or straight to interview?

Aitor

PhoenixParker wrote: »

It's clearly stated on page 11 of the booklet under stage 2. They will shortlist based on the application forms.

Good stuff.

PhoenixParker

Aitor wrote: »

You’d think so, wouldn’t you?

It's clearly stated on page 11 of the booklet under stage 2. They will shortlist based on the application forms.

Aitor

PhoenixParker wrote: »

They must shortlist based on CV for competitions at this level. Potentially anyone can get through the verbal/numerical/sa. No point wasting time interviewing someone who's only just completed the Leaving Cert.

You’d think so, wouldn’t you?

brownbinman

did one of the test exams and didn't fare very well at all. I quite fancy my chances with shortlisting, but now very worried about the bloody tests

PhoenixParker

They must shortlist based on CV for competitions at this level. Potentially anyone can get through the verbal/numerical/sa. No point wasting time interviewing someone who's only just completed the Leaving Cert.

Aitor

Crunchymomma wrote: »

They do shortlist based on application forms, it was done in 2017 heo. Those who passed stage one and stage two and placed highly (top 400) did not necessarily get an interview as they were knocked out by the shortlisting

Oh interesting! I didn’t think they shortlisted on application forms for the AP competition I did, but maybe they did and I’ve forgotten!

Crunchymomma

Aitor wrote: »

I’m pretty certain it’s a bell curve. They don’t whittle down the numbers based on application forms. The forms only provide background for the interviewers if you get that far.

They do shortlist based on application forms, it was done in 2017 heo. Those who passed stage one and stage two and placed highly (top 400) did not necessarily get an interview as they were knocked out by the shortlisting

willthiswork

Aitor wrote: »

I’m pretty certain it’s a bell curve. They don’t whittle down the numbers based on application forms. The forms only provide background for the interviewers if you get that far.

It depends, in some competitions they do further short listing based on the application forms after the aptitude tests. For example, the local authority senior management competition did that earlier this year.

irumudikkilli

The Information booklet says "This exercise is designed to assess your ability to understand numerical information. You will be presented with a series of tables and graphs, each followed by several questions." The practice questions at SHL site seems to have other types of word problems as well.

Crunchymomma

WAW wrote: »

Haven't looked at it yet. Jeeze not looking forward to it. My maths is rusty!

It's the exact same practise link as we got for EO

WAW

TaurenDruid wrote: »

You'll be getting pretty much exactly the same type of questions, and yes, they are American-centric. The only concession they make is using the metric system.

Haven't looked at it yet. Jeeze not looking forward to it. My maths is rusty!

TaurenDruid

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

those full test examples on the shl website are awful alright. I doubt they will be the same level as they seem to be geared towards an American audience. hopefully not anyway!!

You'll be getting pretty much exactly the same type of questions, and yes, they are American-centric. The only concession they make is using the metric system.

tigger123

Anyone know if you can spread the three assessments out over a few days between Thursday and Tuesday? I.e., do one a day for three days or something similar?

Aitor

willthiswork wrote: »

But the fewer people pass, the fewer applications they need to read!

I’m pretty certain it’s a bell curve. They don’t whittle down the numbers based on application forms. The forms only provide background for the interviewers if you get that far.

willthiswork

Sir Ophiuchus wrote: »

They shouldn't really need to, though. It doesn't matter much to them if one thousand or ten thousand people meet the minimums, they'll use shortlisting to decide how many off the top to call to interview regardless.

But the fewer people pass, the fewer applications they need to read!

Sir Ophiuchus

Crunchymomma wrote: »

but they will set the pass mark to whittle down the numbers to what they want

They shouldn't really need to, though. It doesn't matter much to them if one thousand or ten thousand people meet the minimums, they'll use shortlisting to decide how many off the top to call to interview regardless.

Crunchymomma

redarse wrote: »

Does anyone know what the pass mark for the aptitude tests is? If you're getting 20/30 on the verbal reasoning are you there or there abouts etc. I'm aware you should get as much as possible right. The pass standard probably varies from competition to competion I assume...

In 2016, the pass marks were verbal 42/80, numerical 40/80 and situational 40/80
.but they will set the pass mark to whittle down the numbers to what they want

redarse

Does anyone know what the pass mark for the aptitude tests is? If you're getting 20/30 on the verbal reasoning are you there or there abouts etc. I'm aware you should get as much as possible right. The pass standard probably varies from competition to competion I assume...

channelsurfer2

never_mind wrote: »

Did one of the numerical sample tests... jesus... no way I will be able to pass this.

those full test examples on the shl website are awful alright. I doubt they will be the same level as they seem to be geared towards an American audience. hopefully not anyway!!

Crunchymomma

Ahshurlookit wrote: »

Can you point me in the direction of a HR circular or similar that states that those promoted on an Interdepartmental competition don't have to mark time? Thanks in advance.

I think (but am definitely open to correction) that circular 34/77 refers to both promotion from open competition and from interdepartmental

Ahshurlookit

The_Conductor wrote: »

Sure- the majority of prospective candidates will be applying for both- however, the trick is- if you have choice- take the interdepartmental rather than the open- so you don't have to mark time on the payscale once you're appointed (pre-existing civil or public sector employees who get a post in an open competition are appointed at the point on the salary scale closest to their current salary- however, they must then mark time on that point- until the external candidates who come in at point 1 catch up with them on the scale. So- if you have choice- always take the Interdepartmental over the Open- however, you'd be silly not to apply for both........

Can you point me in the direction of a HR circular or similar that states that those promoted on an Interdepartmental competition don't have to mark time? Thanks in advance.