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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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mastershake

Not sure 'Anger' from the current residents is justified. Sounds like NIBYSIM and its worst. The developer is proposing to restore the existing buildings which have significant architectural significance. They will also supply 200 extra dwellings which in todays housing market is welcome. The site is also close to town so it should be attracitve for those seeking to prioritise walking and cycling to work in the city centre or study in UCC. The road isn't the best but hey where is in Cork city.

My only worry is how they go about integrating the new apartment buildings into the exisitng site. You don't want a situatuation where the buildings obsecure the exisitng convent building.

SleetAndSnow

Does anybody actually know what they are doing outside wilton shopping center? Looks like they are just laying tarmac over already placed bike lanes(if they even are, no markings to say they are) and digging up the center of the road for no apperant reason.

Would have been a lot better off resurfacing the entire road because the potholes on it just keep reappearing.

Traffic in the mornings isn’t great due to it however.

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mastershake wrote: »

Not sure 'Anger' from the current residents is justified. Sounds like NIBYSIM and its worst. The developer is proposing to restore the existing buildings which have significant architectural significance. They will also supply 200 extra dwellings which in todays housing market is welcome. The site is also close to town so it should be attracitve for those seeking to prioritise walking and cycling to work in the city centre or study in UCC. The road isn't the best but hey where is in Cork city.

My only worry is how they go about integrating the new apartment buildings into the exisitng site. You don't want a situatuation where the buildings obsecure the exisitng convent building.

That road effects the entire northside going to Wilton, CUH, Togher, or Bisbopstown.

Extra traffic on it would really hit anyone who has to use Wellington bridge

Slim Charles

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That road effects the entire northside going to Wilton, CUH, Togher, or Bisbopstown.

Extra traffic on it would really hit anyone who has to use Wellington bridge

That route is a pain in the ass already, Takes aaaaages to get from the top of Wilton Road and down through Victoria Cross to the Lee Road in the evenings. Ages.

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So you drive that route regularly at any times between 07:30 - 09:00 and 16:30 - 18:00?

200 apartments will mean a lot more than 200 cars. This isn't going to be poor student accommodation

And Sunday's Well road is a car park at those times

snotboogie

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So you drive that route regularly at any times between 07:30 - 09:00 and 16:30 - 18:00?

200 apartments will mean a lot more than 200 cars. This isn't going to be poor student accommodation

And Sunday's Well road is a car park at those times

How many parking spaces are with the development?

j8wk2feszrnpao

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That road effects the entire northside going to Wilton, CUH, Togher, or Bisbopstown.

Extra traffic on it would really hit anyone who has to use Wellington bridge

And a significant going from Wilton/Bishopstown to Apple on the Northside.
I used to drive/cycle in that direction, and it was very busy; and Apple has expanded since.
If they build and market this as a rental property for professionals working within the city, with extremely limited parking facilities; then it may work out. 200 apartments with full parking would be a recipe for a disaster in terms traffic in the area.

rounders

What would fix most of this would be the north ring road or even the another road to avoid shankil like attached as a short term measure. Purple being the current route and red being the possible alternative

opus

I was getting petrol at the Lee Garage on Model on Sat morning & noticed a site cleared across the road, looks like a detached house with a big garden was levelled so I had a look at the planning site to see what was going in there & it's these -

demolition of an existing dwelling house and ancillary structures and the construction of 6 no. dwelling houses (each with a garden shed) and all associated ancillary development works including landscaping boundary treatments, drainage, parking and vehicular access.

Good to see a bit of new housing popping up, not sure of the significance of the garden shed part!

AugustusMinimus

rounders wrote: »

What would fix most of this would be the north ring road or even the another road to avoid shankil like attached as a short term measure. Purple being the current route and red being the possible alternative

Red is possible but due to topology would need to take a slight different route with some additional turns.

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AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Red is possible but due to topology would need to take a slight different route with some additional turns.

And may as well bridge the river and up to CIT

rom

rounders wrote: »

What would fix most of this would be the north ring road or even the another road to avoid shankil like attached as a short term measure. Purple being the current route and red being the possible alternative

Nope as the Lee Fields were donated to the City on the condition that they would never be built on. The 83 acre site at the Lee Fields of the 1932 Irish Industrial and Agricultural Exhibition was given to the corporation in 1933 by an anonymous donor.

https://www.corkcity.ie/services/recreationsport/parks/

AugustusMinimus

rom wrote: »

Nope as the Lee Fields were donated to the City on the condition that they would never be built on. The 83 acre site at the Lee Fields of the 1932 Irish Industrial and Agricultural Exhibition was given to the corporation in 1933 by an anonymous donor.

https://www.corkcity.ie/services/recreationsport/parks/

A bridge past Lee Fields and lining up with The Orchards Road would work. The road going between the Lee Road and Clogheen could still be closer to the city though.

The NRR would be out by Ballincollig and would pass over the Poulsvone Roundabout.

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j8wk2feszrnpao

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You don't know what you are talking about.
People, who use that route during the busiest hours are telling you that it's already a problem. It's a lie to state that adding 200 apartments, with the potential of 200+ additional cars wouldn't be a problem.
The open top tour buses don't travel there during the busiest hours such as the morning.

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Do you commute at those times or not?

draiochtanois

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Do you commute down Sunday's Well or not?

Your Lee Road exampme is deflection of the highest, there was no existing traffic issues at that point.
I've been stuck in traffic from Barret's buildings all the way to Wellington Bridge far more times than I care to remember.
Unless you use that road, at rush hour, stop making useless comments about something you've never experienced

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AugustusMinimus

draiochtanois wrote: »

Glad you agree with my example that a ~ 200 dwellings development doesn't affect traffic.

I rest my case.

Traffic coming down from Shanakiel is horrendous in mornings and evenings and is absolutely apocalyptic on Friday evenings.

There is Little existing traffic on the Lee Road hence why 200 apartments there makes little difference.

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You don't seem to understand existing volumes and capacity

draiochtanois

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Do you use that stretch of road, during rush hour?
It's a simple question to answer

draiochtanois

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So no. You don't know what you're talking about.

northgirl

Live on Convent Avenue. It's going to be a nightmare. Getting parking at the moment is difficult enough aside from all the additional traffic/congestion.

With cars parking on either side of the road at all times 2 cars rarely pass each other without difficulty.

j8wk2feszrnpao

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If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep me.

Stick to prayers, you clearly can’t deal with reality.

draiochtanois

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rounders

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See screenshot attached from google maps showing current backlog situation in the area in the mornings.

You are clearly just trolling and trying to derail the conversation. Can we please bring it back on point