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Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

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New thread ladsðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜Š Any update on injuries for this weekends game?

Mod edit: Given how the last thread descended into chaos, we are going to leave that closed and start afresh

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willbeuptuesday

Having just watched Ballygunner lay waist to any challengers over the past few years, you have to wonder about the state of Club Hurling in Waterford. First off this is not an attack against Ballygunner, they are the standard bearers in the county and its not just numbers that make them so good there is a very efficient operation running behind the scenes (much better than the county board). But somebody has to take a look at the over all picture and come up with a solution to enhance the whole championship, games are non events (with a few notable exceptions) but in the main there is no cut and trust in Championship in Waterford. Evidence of this is the paltry attendance at games, supporters have given up. More people attended the 2017 Kerry Hurling final than attended the Waterford Final which is a sad reflection on things. We need to be creative about making the championships more competitive such as creating Divisional Teams EG.. St Marys are together underage and then they go back to playing a poor standard of hurling when they go past Minor, if they were allowed to compete at Intermediate level in the east and if they were to win it they could go up to senior giving us a team with successive decent minor teams to choose from. This would eventually lead to the emergence of another senior side in Waterford, the aim of which is to expose good players to a higher standard. This could be repeated around the county in Rural areas. Scheduling allowances would have to be made for their clubs who compete in Junior and Intermediate competition's. This happens in other counties for example this weekend coming East Kerry, South Kerry and St. Brendan's all play in the Quaterfinals of the Kerry Championship. St. Brendan's have duel players from Ardfert. I Know we probably have more duel players but in all honesty the Senior football championship does not need to be as convoluted as there are only about 6 clubs at senior standard (Im been generious here). We need to look at the thing as a whole and not put individual preferences first. My solution get a complete outsider to look at the whole thing and make recommendations based upon what is in the best interests of Waterford Hurling and go with them. Any thoughts?

Deskjockey

I hear Waterford County Board are considering throwing JP McManus's 100k donation on a horse, with the aim of doubling their money

Heard it from the horses mouth

thesaturdayman

JP McManus donate 100k to every county in Ireland for the development of Clubs.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0924/995814-jp-mcmanus-donates-100-000-to-every-gaa-county-board/

Presumably county board will apportion this back to all the clubs that paid their levies over the last few years & not take it for the running of county teams or development of Walsh Park!

every Senior, inter & junior club should be apportioned back whatever they paid in levies for last few years. Assuming they all paid the levies!

hardybuck

thesaturdayman wrote: »

JP McManus donate 100k to every county in Ireland for the development of Clubs.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0924/995814-jp-mcmanus-donates-100-000-to-every-gaa-county-board/

Presumably county board will apportion this back to all the clubs that paid their levies over the last few years & not take it for the running of county teams or development of Walsh Park!

every Senior, inter & junior club should be apportioned back whatever they paid in levies for last few years. Assuming they all paid the levies!

Or an appropriate amount shaved off their 2019 levies.

thesaturdayman

willbeuptuesday wrote: »

Having just watched Ballygunner lay waist to any challengers over the past few years, you have to wonder about the state of Club Hurling in Waterford. First off this is not an attack against Ballygunner, they are the standard bearers in the county and its not just numbers that make them so good there is a very efficient operation running behind the scenes (much better than the county board). But somebody has to take a look at the over all picture and come up with a solution to enhance the whole championship, games are non events (with a few notable exceptions) but in the main there is no cut and trust in Championship in Waterford. Evidence of this is the paltry attendance at games, supporters have given up. More people attended the 2017 Kerry Hurling final than attended the Waterford Final which is a sad reflection on things. We need to be creative about making the championships more competitive such as creating Divisional Teams EG.. St Marys are together underage and then they go back to playing a poor standard of hurling when they go past Minor, if they were allowed to compete at Intermediate level in the east and if they were to win it they could go up to senior giving us a team with successive decent minor teams to choose from. This would eventually lead to the emergence of another senior side in Waterford, the aim of which is to expose good players to a higher standard. This could be repeated around the county in Rural areas. Scheduling allowances would have to be made for their clubs who compete in Junior and Intermediate competition's. This happens in other counties for example this weekend coming East Kerry, South Kerry and St. Brendan's all play in the Quaterfinals of the Kerry Championship. St. Brendan's have duel players from Ardfert. I Know we probably have more duel players but in all honesty the Senior football championship does not need to be as convoluted as there are only about 6 clubs at senior standard (Im been generious here). We need to look at the thing as a whole and not put individual preferences first. My solution get a complete outsider to look at the whole thing and make recommendations based upon what is in the best interests of Waterford Hurling and go with them. Any thoughts?

agree with most of what you say. Good logical points. However this is Waterford we don't do things the logical way.

We prefer the way things have always been done. Eastern and western boards in one of smallest counties size, population and club size wise in the country.

We don't like change, demolishing these boards will ring the death knell for this county, countless officers will have to pay for tickets for matches! We can't have that!! Clubs and players will get extra games but thats not really relevant.

Group sides would infinitely improve standard of hurling, as would properly structured leagues and grading systems. The county would be better served with a hurling board & a football board as opposed to the current antiquated structure.

thesaturdayman

hardybuck wrote: »

Or an appropriate amount shaved off their 2019 levies.

I think rebating the clubs that paid (a lot didnt over the years with no action) is the fairest way to do it.

there were clubs this year had to collect e100 a man to enter a second team to give lads games, they didnt have the 1200 or so to affiliate a second team.

Such is how badly clubs are being stretched.

Development? ha! try keep afloat from week to week first!

5948ai

With the current growing population out the Dunmore road there's surely room for another club that direction? ...although this usually only occurs after an internal rift e.g. Roanmore!

PTH2009

5948ai wrote: »

With the current growing population out the Dunmore road there's surely room for another club that direction? ...although this usually only occurs after an internal rift e.g. Roanmore!

Who did Roanmore drift away from ???

hardybuck

PTH2009 wrote: »

Who did Roanmore drift away from ???

Mount Sion.

I would first like to see structures which provide enough games for players in existing clubs, and adherence to a proper season, before starting new clubs.

To think that a guy could be playing less than 10 games in a season is scandalous. I'm not sure what happens in rural areas, but in the city it means that you play soccer.

whiteandblue

PTH2009 wrote: »

weekend results

Senior Hurling Championship semi finals
Abbeyside 0-14- De La Salle 0-13
Ballygunner 3-23- Passage 1-4

Western Junior A Hurling semi finals
Colligan 0-15- Tourin 0-12
Ballinameela 4-13- St Marys 3-13

Eastern Junior A Hurling final
Tramore 2-10- Ballydurn 1-11

Western Junior C Hurling final
An Rinn 1-11- Bricky Rangers 1-10

upcoming fixtures
Sat 29th Sep
Eastern Intermediate Hurling Final
Erins Own vs Clonea- Walsh Park (15.15pm)

Sun 30th Sep
Senior Football Semi finals
Ballinacourty vs the Nire- Fraher Field
Kilrossanty vs An Rinn- Fraher Field (18.30pm)

Western Intermediate Hurling Final
Clashmore vs Ballysaggart- Fraher Field (3pm)

Western Junior A Hurling final
Ballinameela vs Colligan- Fraher Field (13.15pm)

Is Ballinacourty and The Nire this weekend?

PTH2009

whiteandblue wrote: »

Is Ballinacourty and The Nire this weekend?

its down for this weekend on the website but might not be on with Abbeyside in the Hurling final sunday week ???

keep on eye on the Waterford GAA site id say

thesultan

Is it 49 or 50 clubs we have in the county?

cul beag

Ballinacourty v The Nire has been put back until after the hurling final.

deiseach

thesultan wrote: »

Is it 49 or 50 clubs we have in the county?

51?

The Nire/Fourmilewater and Clashmore/Kinsalebeg are surely one club, and Cois Bhride and Naomh Bríd are (I believe) underage amalgamations which gives me 51. Any advance on that?

mountgomery burns

deiseach wrote: »

51?

The Nire/Fourmilewater and Clashmore/Kinsalebeg are surely one club, and Cois Bhride and Naomh Bríd are (I believe) underage amalgamations which gives me 51. Any advance on that?

St Pats, St Mary's, St Oliver's and an Gaeltacht also all underage amalgamations. Clashmore is one club, Nire and Fourmilewater still two I believe much like John Mitchell's and Kilmacthomas. Thought Abbeyside and Ballinacourty were the same though maybe not.

whiteandblue

cul beag wrote: »

Ballinacourty v The Nire has been put back until after the hurling final.

Very strange that the other semi final is this weekend so, gives a clear advantage to the winners of An Rinn/Kilrossanty going into the final as they will have ample time to recover and prepare

willbeuptuesday

Here's a suggestion, Gaultier should go it alone and give hurling a try, they would pick up some amount of Hurlers that have fallen by the way side. They should maintain their football ethos and stand on their own two feet. By playing both codes with the one panel they will develop a good squad capable of playing both codes and competing in both competitions. The up shot of not relying on other clubs is that they will have full control of their players and this will help their football improve instead of just competition as they are doing now.

hardybuck

willbeuptuesday wrote: »

Here's a suggestion, Gaultier should go it alone and give hurling a try, they would pick up some amount of Hurlers that have fallen by the way side. They should maintain their football ethos and stand on their own two feet. By playing both codes with the one panel they will develop a good squad capable of playing both codes and competing in both competitions. The up shot of not relying on other clubs is that they will have full control of their players and this will help their football improve instead of just competition as they are doing now.

Ballygunner offer hurling only and cover the village of Ballygunner, and the kids from the Dunmore Road area who end up going to Ballygunner school.

As neither Ballygunner or Passage play football, and as Dunmore East doesn't have any GAA club, Gaultier actually covers a large amount of ground in the area east of Waterford City and Tramore.

If Gaultier started playing hurling, Passage and Ballygunner really ought to start playing football.

wadefuq

willbeuptuesday wrote: »

Here's a suggestion, Gaultier should go it alone and give hurling a try, they would pick up some amount of Hurlers that have fallen by the way side. They should maintain their football ethos and stand on their own two feet. By playing both codes with the one panel they will develop a good squad capable of playing both codes and competing in both competitions. The up shot of not relying on other clubs is that they will have full control of their players and this will help their football improve instead of just competition as they are doing now.

I dont think a Gaultier hurling club would realistically get any spill over from ballygunner.. people easily forget that Gaultier is in dunmore east... 15km from ballygunner/waterford city

tommylad1212

PTH2009 wrote: »

its down for this weekend on the website but might not be on with Abbeyside in the Hurling final sunday week ???

keep on eye on the Waterford GAA site id say

It's not on

tommylad1212

mountgomery burns wrote: »

St Pats, St Mary's, St Oliver's and an Gaeltacht also all underage amalgamations. Clashmore is one club, Nire and Fourmilewater still two I believe much like John Mitchell's and Kilmacthomas. Thought Abbeyside and Ballinacourty were the same though maybe not.

What have the mitchells and kilmac got to do with each other?

914

wadefuq wrote: »

I dont think a Gaultier hurling club would realistically get any spill over from ballygunner.. people easily forget that Gaultier is in dunmore east... 15km from ballygunner/waterford city

The only way an alternative would work would be to establish a knockboy or williamstown gaa club

mountgomery burns

tommylad1212 wrote: »

What have the mitchells and kilmac got to do with each other?

Sorry I assumed Kilmac was hurling only given Mitchell's is football only and theyre both based in Kilmac.

Deise Gael

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Sorry I assumed Kilmac was hurling only given Mitchell's is football only and theyre both based in Kilmac.

From what I know the Mitchell's were a break away from Kilrossanty during the 60's after a row.

Many of their players came from the Fews area. They produced some of the best footballers to ever come out of Waterford and had a large part to play in Waterford playing in the top tier of football in 71/72.

The Kirwans, Tommy Power, Tom Gough, Tom Hunt, the Conners etc were part of the best era ever for Waterford football and very unlucky to lose a Munster championship semi final to a Cork team in Fermoy in 1972 - a Cork team who went on to win the All Ireland a year later.

JesusRef

hardybuck wrote: »

Ballygunner offer hurling only and cover the village of Ballygunner, and the kids from the Dunmore Road area who end up going to Ballygunner school.

As neither Ballygunner or Passage play football, and as Dunmore East doesn't have any GAA club, Gaultier actually covers a large amount of ground in the area east of Waterford City and Tramore.

If Gaultier started playing hurling, Passage and Ballygunner really ought to start playing football.

I think if Gaultier formed a hurling club they would make steady progress up the grades very quickly.

Passage and Ballygunnar should offer Football and the GAA should end the practice of players playing Hurling with one club and football with another (it's too messy)

Passage and Ballygunnar should also have their own Camogie teams, something that would again drive on improvement in the code which has made huge strides lately,

Gavlor

willbeuptuesday wrote: »

Here's a suggestion, Gaultier should go it alone and give hurling a try, they would pick up some amount of Hurlers that have fallen by the way side. They should maintain their football ethos and stand on their own two feet. By playing both codes with the one panel they will develop a good squad capable of playing both codes and competing in both competitions. The up shot of not relying on other clubs is that they will have full control of their players and this will help their football improve instead of just competition as they are doing now.

That’d be awful for passage and have no impact whatsoever on ballygunner. Any other ideas?

PTH2009

http://hoganstand.com/Waterford/Article/Index/290753

Fraher field or nothing

mountgomery burns

I still blame all this years woes on the Johns...

Relhcstirt

hardybuck wrote: »

Ballygunner offer hurling only and cover the village of Ballygunner, and the kids from the Dunmore Road area who end up going to Ballygunner school.

As neither Ballygunner or Passage play football, and as Dunmore East doesn't have any GAA club, Gaultier actually covers a large amount of ground in the area east of Waterford City and Tramore.

If Gaultier started playing hurling, Passage and Ballygunner really ought to start playing football.

Better chance of pigs flying or even a Kilkenny Football team. Downhill sking in Ballybricken!!

The blue blaa

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I still blame all this years woes on the Johns...

Flashback Tuesday haha i chuckled at that....