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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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Kev11491

aren't wine and beers already complimentary?

https://www.newstalk.com/Aer-Lingus-announces-plans-for-rebrand-in-2019

Kcormahs

revelman wrote: »

The livery is even a feature on prime time US tv, as recently seen on Saturday Night Live!

Any news on the short haul / business class or premium?

revelman

ozzy jr wrote: »

Absolutely this. Yesterday I flew from BKK to CDG with Air France. As we were coming into the land the plane waiting to take off was an Aer Lingus. It really is a stand out livery. I'd hate to see EI end up with a predominantly white livery with a token bit of green.

The livery is even a feature on prime time US tv, as recently seen on Saturday Night Live!

ozzy jr

kevinandrew wrote: »

My only hope is that they keep the majority green livery, the shamrock stays bold the focus of the image and white is kept at a minimum.

Absolutely this. Yesterday I flew from BKK to CDG with Air France. As we were coming into the land the plane waiting to take off was an Aer Lingus. It really is a stand out livery. I'd hate to see EI end up with a predominantly white livery with a token bit of green.

kevinandrew

Aer Lingus rebrands have always been pretty big news in the past, the last rebrand was in 1996 and was quite the event! There were plenty of critics back then but fast forward a few years and it's one of the most popular liveries and brand images in the business. The livery is dated but not overly so, the current Shamrock design is timeless in my opinion and the typeface has gone from looking dated in the mid-2000s to unique and stand out in 2010s so they'll have a tough job modernising everything without stripping it completely of character.

So many airlines make a mess of their rebrand, particularly the livery; The last IAG airline that rebranded was Iberia and we all know how that ended up! Level doesn't look much better so I really hope IAG are keeping out of this one. Other airlines have got it so wrong, Lufthansa, American, Air Canada, Austrian and PIA for example.

Some have done a better job, KLM for example but the best I can think of is Vietnam. The original was very similar to Aer Lingus, deep green with a straight cheatline, this was replaced with a lower cheatline that curved up from the belly, new typeface and larger logo on the tail. It was a minor refresh rather than a total rebrand but it worked well.

My only hope is that they keep the majority green livery, the shamrock stays bold the focus of the image and white is kept at a minimum.

Comhrá

Hopefully they don't deviate too much from the current livery.

It's pretty unique with it's green top and tail. A modern refresh preserving the overall green theme would be nice.

That blue bit down the fuselage below the window line is effective too, hope there's a dash of that shade somewhere, maybe not ending as abruptly as it does presently.

Cravens

Maybe they will go with a KLM style rebrand. That was, in my mind, the very best example of rebranding without becoming mind-numblingly dull in recent aviation history.

orionm_73

JCX BXC wrote: »

Uh-oh....really hope this isn't a eurowhite livery.

Me too. Hopefully a tweak and refresh rather than the euro white.

JCX BXC

NH2013 wrote: »

No it'll be doing the sun routes, A320 will remain on the LHR routes out of both ORK and SNN by all accounts.

But that's the only SH aircraft at SNN.

NH2013

JCX BXC wrote: »

So a 737 doing the SNN-LHR route?

I wouldn't be particularly surprised if they based a 737 at Shannon as an extra aircraft, to do the routes like AGP and FAO

No it'll be doing the sun routes, A320 will remain on the LHR routes out of both ORK and SNN by all accounts.

JCX BXC

NH2013 wrote: »

From what I've heard an A320 will be withdrawn from ORK and SNN each to be brought up to Dublin and replaced with a hired in 737.

So a 737 doing the SNN-LHR route?

I wouldn't be particularly surprised if they based a 737 at Shannon as an extra aircraft, to do the routes like AGP and FAO

EICVD

kub wrote: »

Sorry I should have expanded that, what I meant was for the short hops that the 321 Neo's are suggested to operate, during the day between T/A ops.

The ASL 734s will probably be flown out of BHD/ORK/SNN

kub

Sorry I should have expanded that, what I meant was for the short hops that the 321 Neo's are suggested to operate, during the day between T/A ops.

JCX BXC

kub wrote: »

If this is true, does it suggest another delay with the delivery of the A321 Neo's?

Why would it? It's not like the 737-400's or even regular A320's will be flying transatlantic?

kub

If this is true, does it suggest another delay with the delivery of the A321 Neo's?

Jamie2k9

The benefit is 4-6 months work and aircraft will not cost EI over a full year and ASL look after all work associated with them.

Locker10a

marno21 wrote: »

You'd imagine it would be similar to the 757 operation. ASL source and operate the aircraft

I just don’t see the benefit of this here!? I mean I understand them using ASL to source and operate the 757s as it’s a new aircraft type, different engines to all other EI aircraft. It’s saves EI the cost of introducing a new type into the fleet for what’s a relatively short time.
But to just boost the summer fleet, why don’t they just lease some extra 320s ? As they have previously done?!
They could then keep everything in house, am I missing something here? Is it that 320s very difficult to source at the moment? And 737s are easier? Hence they’re asking ASL to do this for them ?

California Dreamer

jucylucy wrote: »

Hearing several different sources the EI have asked ASL to supply 3xB737-400 pax aircraft for next summer....freeing up A320s for Dublin.

The last Boeing 737-400, what was known as the last Classic series of the Boeing 737, OK-FGS, MSN 28478, L/N 3132) was delivered to CSA Czech Airlines on February 25, 2000. (Wikipedia)

So if they manage to source any -400's they are going to be 20+ year vintage. Although -STA is 21 years old and there didn't seem to be any issues out of BHD this summer.

marno21

You'd imagine it would be similar to the 757 operation. ASL source and operate the aircraft

Locker10a

jucylucy wrote: »

Hearing several different sources the EI have asked ASL to supply 3xB737-400 pax aircraft for next summer....freeing up A320s for Dublin.

Do they even have 3x 734? Wonder where they’ll be based? Hope if it’s true they get some form of a shamrock livery

jucylucy

Hearing several different sources the EI have asked ASL to supply 3xB737-400 pax aircraft for next summer....freeing up A320s for Dublin.

Kcormahs

Does anyone know why the most recent Aer Lingus TA flights such as Miami (launched a year ago) and Minneapolis and Montreal aren't codeshared with British Airways? If you tried to book a flight from LHR to JFK on BA's website, the option of EI will come up, Via Dublin (same as all the EI destinations, even short haul for example Madrid - LGW via Dublin) expect for Miami (and also Minneapolis/Montreal). Sure, this would increase the loads no? Any particular reason for it?

Tenger

goingnowhere wrote: »

EWR is not crew rest fitted, so anything more than 8 hours in the air and you are in trouble crew wise
990 is a positioning number, no passengers

Im gonna guess that they stretched themselves to even make it to Shannon.
Looking at FR2; https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ei-ewr
MIA-YQX; 0052-0701UTC (The track shows them going about 20 mins beyond Gander before turning back)
YQX-SNN; 0906-1244UTC

So 1st sector is 6 hours 9 mins, 2nd sector is 3 hours 38 mins, plus ~2 hours on the ground. (my math could be wrong,had to playback each sector!)
Thats 11 hours 52 mins block time (time in airport before departure not included) on a through the night flight crossing several time zones with

alancostello

cson wrote: »

Tenger wrote: »

Kcormahs wrote: »

I also considered that. I just wonder will EI be getting 4 next year or only one/two due to delays? And will we see the Business class product on those routes? Maybe on the 320s too?

I saw a link yesterday to an announcement from Connecticut governor. It stated that he was happy to confirm that “Aer Lingus have committed to the route under at least 2022”, and they will introduce “one of their 4 new A321LR aircraft next year”

EI have been in BDL about 2 years now? They must have given some more decent subsidies to continue to 2022, considering that it's the only European route out of BDL and none of the Big 3 in the US have attempted to muscle in during the interim. Must not be viable without the subsidy.

I would believe it's viable without subsidy (as far as I'm aware the final two years of the EI deal have zero subsidy), however it's probably not viable when split between two carriers which is what would happen now. Doesn't hurt that the US3 aren't particularly fond of flying out of non-hub airports, and they all currently connect to some if not all of their northeast/midwest hubs out of BDL as it stands.

cson

Tenger wrote: »

Kcormahs wrote: »

I also considered that. I just wonder will EI be getting 4 next year or only one/two due to delays? And will we see the Business class product on those routes? Maybe on the 320s too?

I saw a link yesterday to an announcement from Connecticut governor. It stated that he was happy to confirm that “Aer Lingus have committed to the route under at least 2022”, and they will introduce “one of their 4 new A321LR aircraft next year”

EI have been in BDL about 2 years now? They must have given some more decent subsidies to continue to 2022, considering that it's the only European route out of BDL and none of the Big 3 in the US have attempted to muscle in during the interim. Must not be viable without the subsidy.

vectorvictor

Mebuntu wrote: »

Now taxiing 4 hours late per EI Website.

Should get in just under the four hour delay mark which halves compensation payable from €600 to €300.

Wonder if EI would have more proactive irrops measures in place if EU261 was a mandatory airline controlled process rather than a passenger application one.

Mebuntu

California Dreamer wrote: »

Is today's 121 going? Couple of hours late so far. Is something tech?

Now taxiing 4 hours late per EI Website.

LXFlyer

Tenger wrote: »

Ouch, that’s gonna put a dent in the schedule. Just checked flight radar and no moment on DUB-MCO yet.

EI-EWR lining up for take off at 19:07.
Just a tad late!

Bussywussy

goingnowhere wrote: »

Likely 2 sent down by bus/taxi from Dublin.
Doubtful anyone in SNN is still current on A330

Don't think there's even pilots based there other than ASL secondment

Tenger

alancostello wrote: »

EI140 MIA-DUB diverted to YQX (Gander) last night, operated by EI-EWR. Departed for DUB seven hours later, diverted to SNN, and is now en route to DUB.

Ouch, that’s gonna put a dent in the schedule. Just checked flight radar and no moment on DUB-MCO yet.