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Minor schemes & realignments

marno21

Here's a thread for discussing minor schemes & realignments, not big enough to deserve their own thread.

News on Radio Kerry this morning about removal of objections to CPOs on the realignment of the Kilderry bends just outside Milltown on the N70.

http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/landowners-withdrawn-their-objection-to-cpo-for-mid-kerry-road-improvement-scheme/

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marno21

Section of the N83 to be reduced to one lane as it's too narrow for a car and truck to pass safely.

Embarassing stuff but I feel like that word is just normal at this stage

https://www.tuamherald.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/10/31/4164369-drastic-steps-on-tuam-to-dunmore-road/

Kevwoody

Pete2k wrote:

A lot of resurfacing and levelling work going on on the N15 outside sligo and ballybofey. While this is needed especially at Ballybofey the resurfacing near ballyshannon definitely wasn't and I wonder if the amount of money spent on doing the miles and miles of this could not have been spent on other parts like removing some of the bends or widening between Ballybofey and strabane

I can understand the frustration at the apparent waste of resources but a pavement overlay is a low cost job compared to a realignment.

I spoke to someone ages ago regarding seemingly ok roads being resurfaced. I was told that its called preventative maintenance, where a thin top layer is removed and resurfaced. Basically if a surface is left to deteriorate over time, water will soak through to the layers underneath and a full excavation would be required.

So more or less, Local Authorities are trying to keep the roads that are already in reasonable condition, in tip top condition.

Kevwoody

Locals were objecting recently to the removal of old stone walls on the N67 north of Kinvarra to allow realignment of a narrow twisty section of the road.

Seems it has paid off for them. Passed through this morning and work is ongoing on the construction of natural stone walls using locally sourced stone. It is being built dry with no mortar joints and looks really impressive. Should be a nice job when finished, provided they don't blow the entire budget on the walls!

Pete2k

A lot of resurfacing and levelling work going on on the N15 outside sligo and ballybofey. While this is needed especially at Ballybofey the resurfacing near ballyshannon definitely wasn't and I wonder if the amount of money spent on doing the miles and miles of this could not have been spent on other parts like removing some of the bends or widening between Ballybofey and strabane

veryangryman

Good few bits started and ongoing on n61 n15 generally the athlone northwest route especially the coolteige bends north of roscommon town

spacetweek

According to CIS Ireland, plans have been granted for the south Dublin Blackglen/Harold's Grange Road improvement.

nordydan

Alun wrote: »

Does anyone here know what the story is with the roadworks on the R755 Kilmacanogue Roundwood toad near Calary is?

Work seemed to start OK, then went dead for several months before being resumed again recently. Now, the old section of roadway that had been dug up has been reinstated with fresh tarmac and white lines, and the works appear to have ground to a halt again.

The contractord messed up, the tie in at the roundwood end was going to the wrong place, then they ran out of money

alias no.9

serfboard wrote: »

Sorry, I can't answer your question, but I'm using your contribution as an excuse for a rant!

IMO, the Tullamore bypass is an unforgivably sh1tty bypass - single lane, with roundabouts every few hundred meters. I wouldn't mind if this was built in the 1980s, but it wasn't - it was completed in 2009, when we (I presumed) had long learned the lessons of underpowered bypasses.

What should it have been? A 2+2 Grade-Separated DC, if not all the way to the M6 (which it should have been - the 2017 AADT on the portion to the M6 is 13K), then at least on the actual bypass itself.

You might almost think the local politicians driving the scheme were viewing it as an opportunity to open up development land rather than a bypass.

Alun

Does anyone here know what the story is with the roadworks on the R755 Kilmacanogue Roundwood toad near Calary is?

Work seemed to start OK, then went dead for several months before being resumed again recently. Now, the old section of roadway that had been dug up has been reinstated with fresh tarmac and white lines, and the works appear to have ground to a halt again.

serfboard

roadmaster wrote: »

I was heading down to tullamore yesterday and outside clonmellon on the N52 there was major survey work going on the lads where putting pins in every 20 meters with a blue and yellow cables being connected. Any ideas what the survey was for?

Sorry, I can't answer your question, but I'm using your contribution as an excuse for a rant!

IMO, the Tullamore bypass is an unforgivably sh1tty bypass - single lane, with roundabouts every few hundred meters. I wouldn't mind if this was built in the 1980s, but it wasn't - it was completed in 2009, when we (I presumed) had long learned the lessons of underpowered bypasses.

What should it have been? A 2+2 Grade-Separated DC, if not all the way to the M6 (which it should have been - the 2017 AADT on the portion to the M6 is 13K), then at least on the actual bypass itself.

roadmaster

I was heading down to tullamore yesterday and outside clonmellon on the N52 there was major survey work going on the lads where putting pins in every 20 meters with a blue and yellow cables being connected. Any ideas what the survey was for?

roadmaster

Ratoath outter relief road gone to tender due back shortly

road_high

Between Enniskillen and Derrylin on the main Cavan road there’s a small stretch of realignment that’s like as it’s been abandoned (no funding presumably?). Pity as it looks half completed and the road and surface are dreadful alongside it.

marno21

N81 Knockroe has gone to tender

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=136080&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

marno21

wingfo wrote: »

Been driving the n25 a lot lately between cork and Waterford.Cork to midelton is good wide road and most of the route to Waterford, obviously Castlematyr and Killagh youghal bridge and a few km beyond would have to be bypassed/ widened.
My point is would a 2+2 dual carriageway be possible to be build as there's enough space with hard shoulder/grass verges on either side of the road.
No cpo,s needed it would be cost effective and the traffic volume doesn't really need a motorway. Thoughts ???

Some of this has been said by BelfastVanMan but..

This is a major issue with a lot of national primary routes that are up for upgrade. A lot of national routes were widened to various standards of wide single carriageway, and these have functioned well but do have quite a few limitations.

Some of these were built as greenfield routes, mainly since the mid 90s. These can easily be upgraded to 2+2, a good example is the N25 around Kilmacthomas and the Youghal bypass, these are grade seperated single carriageways. The issue though with the rest of the route, is that although it is wide, it has frequent accesses and side junctions. These houses would require CPO and the junctions would require bridging.

I think it may be worthwhile for TII to retrofit some WS2 offline schemes as 2+2 such as the Kilmacthomas/Youghal sections as above, the Ballyshannon/Bundoran bypass, Jamestown/Drumsna bypass amongst others.

wingfo wrote: »

Carrigtohill to Middleton had a lot of side entrances as well but they worked around that

Carrigtwohill-Midleton was built by building a new carraigeway alongside the existing carriageway. It's a much lower standard than the N25 East Cork Parkway between Carrigtwohill and Dunkettle, and had median gaps until these were sealed. The Carrigtwohill-Midleton section is to be upgraded in the National Development Plan due to safety issues with the existing alignment.

BelfastVanMan

wingfo wrote: »

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Too many side entrances on the existing road, methinks.

Carrigtohill to Middleton had a lot of side entrances as well but they worked around that

Yes, but it is a low-standard DC, and the modern standard 2+2 Type 2 DC won't have central reservation crossing points so it wouldn't be acceptable to locals who may have to drive for miles just to reach a roubdabout or Compact GSJ, for example, just to turn around.

wingfo

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Too many side entrances on the existing road, methinks.

Carrigtohill to Middleton had a lot of side entrances as well but they worked around that

BelfastVanMan

wingfo wrote: »

Been driving the n25 a lot lately between cork and Waterford.Cork to midelton is good wide road and most of the route to Waterford, obviously Castlematyr and Killagh youghal bridge and a few km beyond would have to be bypassed/ widened.
My point is would a 2+2 dual carriageway be possible to be build as there's enough space with hard shoulder/grass verges on either side of the road.
No cpo,s needed it would be cost effective and the traffic volume doesn't really need a motorway. Thoughts ???

Too many side entrances on the existing road, methinks.

wingfo

Been driving the n25 a lot lately between cork and Waterford.Cork to midelton is good wide road and most of the route to Waterford, obviously Castlematyr and Killagh youghal bridge and a few km beyond would have to be bypassed/ widened.
My point is would a 2+2 dual carriageway be possible to be build as there's enough space with hard shoulder/grass verges on either side of the road.
No cpo,s needed it would be cost effective and the traffic volume doesn't really need a motorway. Thoughts ???

marno21

N70 Kilderry scheme in Kerry is really taking shape with the alignment in place now. Just tarmac required on the offline section and the two tie ins to be completed.

I would imagine this will be complete or close to complete by Q1 2019 with the new road open for the 2019 summer season.

To say this is a major improvement on the existing route is an understatement.

Kevwoody

It's a pity they couldn't have built it the same as the Carrickmacross bypass instead of sticking 3 roundabouts on it.

BelfastVanMan

marno21 wrote: »

The Monaghan bypass is too narrow for 2+2. It's also too short for 2+2 to have much of a use and the roundabout in the middle shows it was always planned as a distributor road rather than a bypass.

Hmm, fair point.

marno21

The Monaghan bypass is too narrow for 2+2. It's also too short for 2+2 to have much of a use and the roundabout in the middle shows it was always planned as a distributor road rather than a bypass.

guylikeme

spacetweek wrote: »

No way is there a point in having the existing bypass a 2+2 when it'll be replaced with another 2+2. Traffic levels are insignificant around there.

Dunno... monaghan gets pretty packed sometimes

spacetweek

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Be nice if it was being 2+2'd.....

I guess one can always dream.

This will become a distributor road once the 2+2 N2 from Castleblayney to NI border is done, anyway, but I can still see both the short and longer-term benefits of making the existing N2 Monaghan bypass 2+2 DC.

No way is there a point in having the existing bypass a 2+2 when it'll be replaced with another 2+2. Traffic levels are insignificant around there.

BelfastVanMan

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Looks like the whole length of the Monaghan bypass is being resurfaced now as well, they're also digging a trench and laying terram all along the verge on both sides, maybe widening the shoulder..?

Be nice if it was being 2+2'd.....

I guess one can always dream.

This will become a distributor road once the 2+2 N2 from Castleblayney to NI border is done, anyway, but I can still see both the short and longer-term benefits of making the existing N2 Monaghan bypass 2+2 DC.

Donegal Storm

Looks like the whole length of the Monaghan bypass is being resurfaced now as well, they're also digging a trench and laying terram all along the verge on both sides, maybe widening the shoulder..?

road_high

marno21 wrote: »

N80 Maidenhead gone to tender

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=135290&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Are they not started on those for the 4 months? Or is that all just site preparation stuff? Seem to recall a large enough compound with lots of cars working there

BelfastVanMan

marno21 wrote: »

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

How much of the road is being upgraded? A couple of KMs max, presumably?

2km or so

Thanks Marno. :-)

Do we know is it type 1 or type 2 SC?

marno21

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

How much of the road is being upgraded? A couple of KMs max, presumably?

2km or so