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The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

Green farmer

Have a old pasture, never been reseeded. Really poor growth, even though good quality dry land. Did the soil rest and says I'm 1&2's for the p&k and ph 5-8. Was going to lime and reseed . What's that best way to tackle it ?

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DJ98

If a field was reseeded in August, when would it be suitable for grazing by sheep?October or November?

Dinzee Conlee

DJ98 wrote: »

No resseeding has been carried out here in over 20 years, all the land needs to be limed and reseeded, was wondering what it would cost per acre to reseed a 3 acre field with a high clover grass and content with typhon mixed through to finish lambs. Would June be an ideal time for this? How soon after sowing could the typhon be grazed?

Never sowed tyfon in a reseed, so cant help you there, but I came across this a while back... you might find it interesting...
https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/publications/2010/ReseedingPastureChicoryOrTyfon.pdf

Reggie.

Dunedin wrote: »

Got four bags to the acre of the Nutric start

https://grasslandagro.ie/soil-grass-nutrition/enhanced-nitrogen-phosphorus-fertilisers/nutrisystem/

Got two bags of granlime as well And rolled straight afterwards.

So you’re saying hold off on slurry till the grass comes???

Slurry has been known to burn the seedlings sometimes. Not worth the risk

Dunedin

Reggie. wrote: »

Keep slurry away from that will the grass is established. A few bags of 10 10 20 per acre before rolling is what ya need

Got four bags to the acre of the Nutric start

https://grasslandagro.ie/soil-grass-nutrition/enhanced-nitrogen-phosphorus-fertilisers/nutrisystem/

Got two bags of granlime as well And rolled straight afterwards.

So you’re saying hold off on slurry till the grass comes???

Reggie.

Dunedin wrote: »

Full reseed. Two cuts of disk, one power harrow

Keep slurry away from that will the grass is established. A few bags of 10 10 20 per acre before rolling is what ya need

GrasstoMilk

Dunedin wrote: »

Full reseed. Two cuts of disk, one power harrow

What fert did it get at sowing?
Dor a full reseed we go with 3-4 bags if 10 10 20 at sowing and then 1.5 bags of 18 6 12 a month later

Dunedin

Reggie. wrote: »

Oversown or fully reseed

Full reseed. Two cuts of disk, one power harrow

Reggie.

Dunedin wrote: »

Sowed grass seed today. How soon should I go with (watery) slurry and is it better to go with splash plate, umbilical or injected or does it matter??

Oversown or fully reseed

Dunedin

Sowed grass seed today. How soon should I go with (watery) slurry and is it better to go with splash plate, umbilical or injected or does it matter

Jb1989

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Sprayed off a 2 acre field that was drained last year for a neighbour 14 days ago. Mix of grass and rushes that were topped 6 weeks before spraying. Grass is gone well brown now but rushes are very slow changing colour. Would I want to hit it again for him?

Rushes will take few months to go brown they very stubborn unlike grass especially because rush has inside sponge and outside layer covered. Once weather conditions were OK then its in the system. Wouldn't pass remarks on redoing

Limestone Cowboy

Sprayed off a 2 acre field that was drained last year for a neighbour 14 days ago. Mix of grass and rushes that were topped 6 weeks before spraying. Grass is gone well brown now but rushes are very slow changing colour. Would I want to hit it again for him?

DJ98

No resseeding has been carried out here in over 20 years, all the land needs to be limed and reseeded, was wondering what it would cost per acre to reseed a 3 acre field with a high clover grass and content with typhon mixed through to finish lambs. Would June be an ideal time for this? How soon after sowing could the typhon be grazed?

Reggie.

Dunedin wrote: »

Is a week long enough in this weather enough to leave burning off (roundup) before tilling for reseeding?

Hard to know. Suppose if you start to see a good kill maybe you will get away with it

Dunedin

Is a week long enough in this weather enough to leave burning off (roundup) before tilling for reseeding?

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

Find grazing gets rid of it here

Yeah that's it. It's the year for chickweed for some reason

mahoney_j

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Reclaimed (weeds for 5+ years) and reseeded a few acres at the end of August. It’s doing fairly OK but on walking it yesterday, I noticed a good bit of chickweed.

Not many docks but plenty chickweed.

Is there any particular post-emergence spray more suited to chickweed than docks?

There’s 5% clover

Find grazing gets rid of it here

Siamsa Sessions

Reclaimed (weeds for 5+ years) and reseeded a few acres at the end of August. It’s doing fairly OK but on walking it yesterday, I noticed a good bit of chickweed.

Not many docks but plenty chickweed.

Is there any particular post-emergence spray more suited to chickweed than docks?

There’s 5% clover

Say my name

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Are they afraid we'll run out of water in the sea! Where did you buy Basalt fertilizer?

Probably related to the authorities wanting to know what's going on on the ground in case they miss out from some tax from sea salt making or whatnot. It's usually revenue related disguised by an environmental angle.

On the basalt. It came from an ordinary quarry that I just googled for what I wanted. It's sold as quarry dust for laneways and I've used it for that purposes too. Basalt is not really approved for agricultural use in this country like lime quarries are dept approved so again I had a lot of laneways to cover. Even though positive results have been measured abroad.
Robert McSweeney (@rtmcswee) Tweeted:
Field tests in the US found spreading basalt increased maize crop yields by 15%, says Beerling, and reduced N2O emissions from soils by 40% #negCO2 https://t.co/OEFiw5Zxye https://twitter.com/rtmcswee/status/999596624623128576?s=17

My experience has been positive anyway. I'm not grass measuring but there is a definite difference in the amount of grass and the colour of grass this year. Just don't get too cocky and lay off the fertilizer too much. I did that and my first cut silage would have been bulkier only for I layed off the fert. Lesson learned continue in your normal practice and treat any more as a bonus.

If you are serious about the basalt. Send me a pm. I'm not naming them in public.
There is an online map of quarries in Ireland and what they quarry which is very easy to Google too.

Wildsurfer

Say my name wrote: »

cute geoge wrote: »

What dilution were you at with the sea water and what rate per acre .How did you collect the sea water .Could a lad drive to local strand and soak up a load with vacuum tank

Eh no on the tanker. You'll kill the grass. Maybe you might get away with diluting it in a very big slatted tank of slurry and agitating well.
But it's illegal to take seawater from the sea without a license. Someone else collected it for me iykwim.
4 or 5 litres/acre diluted 1 to 20 non treated well water is safe enough to do no harm. The biggest impact will show on older pastures and then maybe once every few years. Everything in moderation.
Water churned up after a storm seems to be the best too.

Are they afraid we'll run out of water in the sea! Where did you buy Basalt fertilizer?

Say my name

cute geoge wrote: »

What dilution were you at with the sea water and what rate per acre .How did you collect the sea water .Could a lad drive to local strand and soak up a load with vacuum tank

Eh no on the tanker. You'll kill the grass. Maybe you might get away with diluting it in a very big slatted tank of slurry and agitating well.
But it's illegal to take seawater from the sea without a license. Someone else collected it for me iykwim.
4 or 5 litres/acre diluted 1 to 20 non treated well water is safe enough to do no harm. The biggest impact will show on older pastures and then maybe once every few years. Everything in moderation.
Water churned up after a storm seems to be the best too.

cute geoge

What dilution were you at with the sea water and what rate per acre .How did you collect the sea water .Could a lad drive to local strand and soak up a load with vacuum tank

Say my name

MeTheMan wrote: »

Does spraying the seaweed/seawater lower the pH much? Would you be spreading more lime to combat this?

It'll bring it up instead of down.
Any Sodium in it is alkaline. The same as Calcium and Magnesium.

The whole point of this malarkey is to get as broad a spectrum of minerals (safe and in such minuscule amounts to do no harm) as possible into the soil.
http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/over-40-minerals-and-metals-contained-in-seawater-their-extraction-likely-to-increase-in-the-future-2016-04-01
I did the whole farm last year but just that one this year with the diluted seawater and then I did other ones with mixed seaweed spray alright this year.
But I've soil tested this spring and will test again next spring to make sure everything is ticking along ok.
Hopefully it should and looks to be a tonic for the soil and the stock.
Stand out thing with all this basalt and seawater application malarkey is clean outs are now down to the ground with no forced grazing needed. Seaweed might not have been as good though the water troughs being kept empty in those paddocks and cows slightly uneasy but still milked ok. It darkens up the grass no end and does push on growth if that's your thing.
Molasses and seaweed solution was better than just the seaweed solution.

MeTheMan

Does spraying the seaweed/seawater lower the pH much? Would you be spreading more lime to combat this?

Reggie.

RobinBanks wrote: »

Is it gone to late to reseed now? Next week promised fairly good and I have a field all dug up where I was filling in hollows and draining.

Lads still doing it around here. Frosty nights might be an issue tho but when mild weather returns then the frost might go away

RobinBanks

Is it gone to late to reseed now? Next week promised fairly good and I have a field all dug up where I was filling in hollows and draining.

Say my name

alps wrote: »

Have you fields where you have completed the above process? Any growth measurements vs a standard? Interesting work..

Does this count?

2t basalt/acre spread last year and diluted seawater sprayed about a month ago.
8.7 bales/acre - 2nd cut.

Nothing's standard here.

Say my name

alps wrote: »

Have you fields where you have completed the above process? Any growth measurements vs a standard? Interesting work..

There's times when you post and then a month later you look back and wonder who the hell hacked my account...

I guess I get too carried away reading permaculture sites. I endeavour to carry out some of those practices if that's any use to you.
Those people have opened a whole new chapter on agriculture and know how to actually make soil instead of continually stripping it.

(Now where's my copy of Acres till I read about Sunn hemp).

alps

Say my name wrote: »

Look up the online bedrock map of Ireland.
There are pockets in different parts of the country and then obviously the east of norn Ireland is nearly 100% basalt.
Dung, slurry, humic acid, plant roots, acid in rain, would break the dust down.

The permies on Facebook and Twitter would have the first start of building soil to grow a protein cover crop of alfalfa,clover, vetch mixed with a few cereals. Mulch that (don't spray) and plough under. Then get your rock dusts, basalt and granite and maybe some lime if needed and till in. Then your nutrient charged biochar charged with dung, urine, fish humates, seaweed extract, worm juice and till that in too.
Then from then on maintain a cover on the soil the whole time and none of this continuous ploughing or set (golf ball grazing) stocking with sheep.
There's a quare lot of farmers have themselves to blame for their own troubles. The generations before may not have helped but the knowledge is there now on how to right things. In fact a lot of the permaculture principles have been there since ancient Greece but either the education wasn't taught or the farmer was always living hand to mouth or looking for the quick buck and they were never properly done. Same today.

Have you fields where you have completed the above process? Any growth measurements vs a standard? Interesting work..

Reggie.

15 acres in today

Say my name

charolais0153 wrote: »

Be a long distance to find basalt rock around here though

Look up the online bedrock map of Ireland.
There are pockets in different parts of the country and then obviously the east of norn Ireland is nearly 100% basalt.
Dung, slurry, humic acid, plant roots, acid in rain, would break the dust down.

The permies on Facebook and Twitter would have the first start of building soil to grow a protein cover crop of alfalfa,clover, vetch mixed with a few cereals. Mulch that (don't spray) and plough under. Then get your rock dusts, basalt and granite and maybe some lime if needed and till in. Then your nutrient charged biochar charged with dung, urine, fish humates, seaweed extract, worm juice and till that in too.
Then from then on maintain a cover on the soil the whole time and none of this continuous ploughing or set (golf ball grazing) stocking with sheep.
There's a quare lot of farmers have themselves to blame for their own troubles. The generations before may not have helped but the knowledge is there now on how to right things. In fact a lot of the permaculture principles have been there since ancient Greece but either the education wasn't taught or the farmer was always living hand to mouth or looking for the quick buck and they were never properly done. Same today.