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The Frederick St protest and reaction

guylikeme

Surprised there wasnt a thread. Maybe there's just no shock factor any more to what happens.

Anyways..without debating who is right or wrong on this, id like to hear why Gardai wore Balacalavas. Seems a little overdone.

I am of course coming in late to all this, fill me in if i'm missing obvious detail.

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Hitman3000

blackwhite wrote:

My issue is with houses/apartments that arenâ€™t being lived in anymore, and are just pure short term lets. To me thatâ€™s a change of use

Lobby your local TD so to change the rules. Air BnB is not a new thing. Hard to imagine no one in government is ignorant of it . Up to the government to legislate for the area. Wonder why they haven't?

sjb25

Edgware wrote: »

1000? Is that all? The usual rent a mob so

A good old fashioned baton charge would solve them

[Deleted User]

blackwhite wrote: »

Strange how people think targeting the general public instead of those responsible for the problems isn’t a legitimate for of protest :rolleyes:

Scumbags being scumbags tend to be condemned by right-minded people, regardless of the day of the week

The woman and her little kid pictured further down in that RTE news report are scumbags? Cop yourself on and less of the lazy generalisations please.......

blackwhite

guylikeme wrote: »

Are you suggesting they follow Varakakar home or something? Awareness is a big part of this and sadly the column inches given to reporting this dont come without a cost.

Id like you to propose a way for them to peacefully protest that gets the needed attention.

Are you seriously trying to claim that there wouldn’t be any media coverage of the homeless problem if these scum didn’t block O’Connell Bridge?

It’s been the top story for most of the past 18 months at least.

In terms of what they should do? Maybe do something to highlight the vast numbers of council-owned properties sitting idle?
But that doesn’t fit the anti-capitalist nonsense that the groups organising these protest are actually focused on, so they won’t ever do that

blackwhite

Deleted User wrote: »

The woman and her little kid pictured further down in that RTE news report are scumbags? Cop yourself on and less of the lazy generalisations please.......

Anyone who forces their child to participate in something like this deserves to be called exactly what they are.

I see the usual crowd who despise the taxpayers of Ireland have arrived :rolleyes:

Why don’t you tell us again about how commuters who live outside Dublin “deserve” any hardships they face? Showed your true colours there

[Deleted User]

blackwhite wrote: »

Anyone who forces their child to participate in something like this deserves to be called exactly what they are.

I see the usual crowd who despise the taxpayers of Ireland have arrived :rolleyes:

Why don’t you tell us again about how commuters who live outside Dublin “deserve” any hardships they face? Showed your true colours there

'Forces their child'. Yep, they look in a right state of terror.....:rolleyes:

I work and pay my tax too so you know where you can stick that accusation my boy......

'True colours'? Meh. More an insight actually into an ultimately unsustainable lifestyle.

blackwhite

Deleted User wrote: »

'Forces their child'. Yep, they look in a right state of terror.....:rolleyes:

I work and pay my tax too so you know where you can stick that accusation my boy......

'True colours'? Meh. More an insight actually into an ultimately unsustainable lifestyle.

You let the mask slip with previous comments on this thread. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube after nasty comments like those

Hitman3000

blackwhite wrote:

You let the mask slip with previous comments on this thread. Canâ€™t put the toothpaste back in the tube after nasty comments like those

Calling other people scum including kids is right up there in terms of nastiness tbh. Pot and kettle spring to mind.

blackwhite

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Lobby your local TD so to change the rules. Air BnB is not a new thing. Hard to imagine no one in government is ignorant of it . Up to the government to legislate for the area. Wonder why they haven't?

Why on earth would I lobby a TD in relation to a city/county council issue?

The laws around changes of use are there, and just need to be enforced.

blackwhite

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Calling other people scum including kids is right up there in terms of nastiness tbh. Pot and kettle spring to mind.

I’ve already stated I’m not referring to kids who’ve been dragged along by their parents. I severely doubt the kids were the ones deciding to project their own issues into sticking two fingers up at the majority of citizens in the capital.

sexmag

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Lobby your local TD so to change the rules.

Oh the f**king irony.

Telling people to lobby a TD to change an issue yet when this was advised at the start of this whole crap of breaking into people's homes we we were told it's not working and they needed to take drastic measures

Hitman3000

blackwhite wrote:

Iâ€™ve already stated Iâ€™m not referring to kids whoâ€™ve been dragged along by their parents. I severely doubt the kids were the ones deciding to project their own issues into sticking two fingers up at the majority of citizens in the capital.

They're not sticking their fingers up to the citizens. They are doing what the constitution allows.The right to protest is an important right in any functioning democracy. My point about referring to other people as scum still stands.

John.Icy

What is with boards.ie and forever thinking anyone who protests who fights for what they believe in is a scumbag or a degenerate?

The amount of people who are dismissive of the housing crisis is frightening. For every person out there fighting for rent control, more housing, the homeless crisis to be worked on etc etc - there's someone out there telling them to get a job and shut up. Giving the government and landlords a mandate to do whatever they please.

What the actual f**k is wrong with this country.

sexmag

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/9i005q/take_back_the_city_have_closed_oconnell_bridge/?utm_source=reddit-android

They're not winning over any supporters on reddit,all they've done is just pissed a lot of people off and they will now in no way support them,I know people caught up in this trying to get to and from work and are hardly.going to ask the government to change this or come our marching now

blackwhite

Hitman3000 wrote: »

They're not sticking their fingers up to the citizens. They are doing what the constitution allows.The right to protest is an important right in any functioning democracy. My point about referring to other people as scum still stands.

If people behave like scum then they deserved to be called it.

I don’t disagree with the right to protest, but there’s no absolute right to protest in any way you see fit enshrined in either our laws or our constitution. There’s limits to what’s acceptable, and there’s limits to what’s legal.

Protesting by targeting people who have nothing to do with your issue is scummy. If people don’t like being labelled a scumbag, then maybe don’t act like one :rolleyes:

Brendan Bendar

John.Icy wrote: »

What is with boards.ie and forever thinking anyone who protests who fights for what they believe in is a scumbag or a degenerate?

The amount of people who are dismissive of the housing crisis is frightening. For every person out there fighting for rent control, more housing, the homeless crisis to be worked on etc etc - there's someone out there telling them to get a job and shut up. Giving the government and landlords a mandate to do whatever they please.

What the actual f**k is wrong with this country.

Not a lot.

Basic problem is that the extremists who game the system have queered the pitch for those who are in genuine need.

Need a crackdown on the gamers.

McMurphy

Captain Obvious wrote: »

First of all, Johnny, I feel I should point out to you that how fast you type doesn't dictate how fast someone reads a forum post.

It was worth a try, because no matter whatother way I made my posts, you were misinterpreting, and taking something else from them, even to the lengths of believing I had been writing things I didn't write about.

Anyway....

Secondly, it has been pointed out a number of times that the hoods the Gardaear are part of the public order uniform. They just happen to be flame retardant, as are the overalls. Wearing them does not mean you expect to be in a fire. They also provide other protections, from the weather to smoke. You ask what they were expecting. I'd say they were expecting to be there for a while and wearing the thick leather gloves and heavy helmet and exterior body armour seemed like too much to wear at that time so they left them in the van in case they were needed so they could get ready quickly. It's just practical.

Which is all grand, but I would also assume that the fear of being doxxed on social media played a part in the masks, which may be part of the uniform, but are they mandatory?

No need for blowing smoke up anyone's arse when the top brass try and tell us they were wore for safety reasons, while emphasising the hoods were fire retardant. Make your own assumptions.

The only criticism from the Commissioner was that helmets should also have been worn too. You said the optics were bad. Is it your point that helmets would have been made these optics better?

Optics were bad, not because the Gardai attended the scene wearing masks, Jesus how many times must I repeat this.

Optics were bad because it appeared our states impartial police force were working in conjunction with a group of masked paramilitary styled men, who arrived in a clapped out looking van.

It's been condemned across the political spectrum and most media outlets, and rightly so.

Was it an indictment?

I couldn't care to be honest, but thankfully it would appear that it won't be repeated.

blackwhite

John.Icy wrote: »

What is with boards.ie and forever thinking anyone who protests who fights for what they believe in is a scumbag or a degenerate?

The amount of people who are dismissive of the housing crisis is frightening. For every person out there fighting for rent control, more housing, the homeless crisis to be worked on etc etc - there's someone out there telling them to get a job and shut up. Giving the government and landlords a mandate to do whatever they please.

What the actual f**k is wrong with this country.

And the strawman arguments begin.

There’s a major difference between a protest rally, or a pre-advertised march and the scummy behaviour currently going on at O’Connell Bridge.

Bare-faced lies trying to claim that “anyone who protests” is being labelled a scumbag just show you up TBH

Hitman3000

blackwhite wrote:

If people behave like scum then they deserved to be called it.

Can you explain your definition of scum please?

McMurphy

The govt should place a levy on rolly eyes emoticons in this thread......

Fůckin hell.

[Deleted User]

blackwhite wrote: »

You let the mask slip with previous comments on this thread. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube after nasty comments like those

'Mask slip'. B*ll*x. Nothing nasty about them. People have moaned endlessly about the commuting lifestyle in these forums and elsewhere yet have done precisely nothing in an attempt to start change round the issue. Do nothing, deserve nothing.

Nasty comments and you are going on about 'scumbags'????? Reactionary nonsense like you are coming out with deserves to be called out every time.

John.Icy

blackwhite wrote: »

And the strawman arguments begin.

There’s a major difference between a protest rally, or a pre-advertised march and the scummy behaviour currently going on at O’Connell Bridge.

Bare-faced lies trying to claim that “anyone who protests” is being labelled a scumbag just show you up TBH

What do you suggest? Picket Leinster House? As if that makes a difference.

Nearly every protest/march through a city involves a holdup of traffic.

Todays demonstration was pre-advertised too.

Hitman3000

blackwhite wrote:

Protesting by targeting people who have nothing to do with your issue is scummy. If people donâ€™t like being labelled a scumbag, then maybe donâ€™t act like one

You don't seem to understand how protest works tbh. The idea is to cause disruption.

All Seeing Eye

Dead beats are the new Elites!

Get Real

John.Icy wrote: »

What is with boards.ie and forever thinking anyone who protests who fights for what they believe in is a scumbag or a degenerate?

The amount of people who are dismissive of the housing crisis is frightening. For every person out there fighting for rent control, more housing, the homeless crisis to be worked on etc etc - there's someone out there telling them to get a job and shut up. Giving the government and landlords a mandate to do whatever they please.

What the actual f**k is wrong with this country.

I would not be one to dismiss the housing crisis. It impacts on me and my social circle greatly.

People aren't dismissive of the housing crisis. They're dismissive of the methods of protest. Some illegal. Others childish and ridiculous attempts at propaganda, portraying incidents as something they're not.

If this movement is to work, it must go down an adult and professional route. If they spent half as much time contacting politicians directly, standing outside the Dáil and not blocking roads at will, not trespassing on properties, and not having an entitled attitude, they'd garner much more support and put pressure on.

By just blocking up roads (without being adult enough to consukt with Gardai and city council before hand) and trespassing, it is they in fact who are playing into the government's hands as they can simply be written off as "scumbags" or "crazies".

Proefessionalise and legitimalise if you're going to do this. Chants of take back the city, biased tweets, and blocking commuters rights to travel, is just cringe.

blackwhite

Deleted User wrote: »

'Mask slip'. B*ll*x. Nothing nasty about them. People have moaned endlessly about the commuting lifestyle in these forums and elsewhere yet have done precisely nothing in an attempt to start change round the issue. Do nothing, deserve nothing.

Nasty comments and you are going on about 'scumbags'????? Reactionary nonsense like you are coming out with deserves to be called out every time.

You’ve showed nothing but contempt for anyone who knuckles down and tries to provide for themselves and their families. Sickening ideology, and a nasty attitude towards those who provide for themselves (and untimely others) to boot.

Similar attitude towards hard workers as those currently plonked on O’Connell Bridge, no wonder you’re falling over yourself to defend their calcium behaviour.

And of course, falling over yourself to target someone who’s been critical of your cult political party in the past. The usual tactics, but not surprising in the least

enricoh

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How come they don't occupy a ghost Estate in the Midlands and demand it be finished off for homeless families? Sure that'd get a couple of hundred of people homes straight away.............

In the Midlands? That's only for suckers that work n have to commute!
Michael Martin was on the late late show last night bemoaning the pace of a social housing development in dun laoghire. Sod the Midlands, hang on for dun laoghire.
A few more protests will get it sped up, any tax cut in the budget for the commuter in the Midlands will be sacraficed to pay for it. Sod it put a few cents on petrol n diesel n stick in solar panels for the gaffs in dun laoghire!

John.Icy

There's a big rally planned on October 3rd regards student accomodation and rent prices also so posters have a heads up.

Can't wait for the boards thread telling students in full time courses to get a job to pay their 1000 a month rent because thats what they did.

Except they didn't pay 1000 for a room...nothing close.

blackwhite

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You don't seem to understand how protest works tbh. The idea is to cause disruption.

Funnily enough, the water protests were successful in winning public support because they did their best not to target ordinary people going about their daily business.

The large-scale protest marches were always notified in advance, so even though they caused dispruption they were always careful enough to give people notice so they could plan for the disruption.

When a few scumbags tried the same tactics as today’s, they were rightly disowned and condemned by the vast majority involved with the water protests

No such decency from the arseholes currently planted on O’Connell Bridge today though. Nothing but contempt for the ordinary people of the city.

blackwhite

John.Icy wrote: »

What do you suggest? Picket Leinster House? As if that makes a difference.

Nearly every protest/march through a city involves a holdup of traffic.

Todays demonstration was pre-advertised too.

They advertised they were going to stage a sit-down on O’Connell bridge??

Less of the lies please