RayCun wrote: » If the last training cycle was cut short by injury, what do you hope to gain in a six week cycle?
Pink11 wrote: » Sub 4 goers - what is your plan for the half on Saturday?
seanin4711 wrote: » failed sub 4hr in berlin. injurys forced compression of training cycle which in hind sight forced serious cramping( overtraining/lack of resting) @35kms = 4:11:(:(:( looking to address in Dublin anyone any advice for doing two within 6 weeks? thanks J
Hedgehoggy wrote: » Good luck with the race! What are you hoping for??
ariana` wrote: » Best of luck Pomplamousse!
Pink11 wrote: » I'll be doing something very similair. My PB is only 1.49.xx so ideally I'd like to get a 1.48 or under if I'm feeling ok. But I still have this cold and sore throat & generally feeling quite miserable so have no idea how I'll fair tomorrow. But I feel the same, for my confidence going into DCM I want a sub 1.50 tomorrow. I actually feel more nervous about this marathon than the last two! I even had an nightmare about it last night. I need to get a life :P In my first I didn't care about the time, I just took it all in. Last time I was injured so finishing was the most I wanted.
Pomplamousse wrote: » I was debating what to do for a while but after getting advice on my log from much more experienced runners than myself, I've decided to race it. Current PB is 1:48:23 so I'm hoping to get anything below that. I'll probably start off with the 1:50 pacers and try to push on past them early enough. If I'm just not feeling it on the day, or if the weather is sh1te or something, I might just stick with the 1:50 pacers for the whole thing. But I think I'll need to be getting at least sub 1:50 to be confident about targeting a sub-4 marathon.
tHE vAGGABOND wrote: » EWC78 got me thinking - maybe of doing it with 2-hour pacers [rather than going with 1.50 folk and not really believing in heart of hearts that I can stick with them - be that right or wrong]. So I think I might run to the park & run home after. So with the half, it would be a 21 odd mile running day - with 2 hours at marathon pace in middle [...but with a break before and after dropping bags etc etc, not a "real" 21-mile run]. Since I'm now doing Amsterdam [week before DCM], and doing for fun & have a bit of work travel coming up - doing this way and not race seems to make more sense to me [...and just pray that I can hang onto 4 hours pacers in Amsterdam - hoping my stamina and leg strength brings me thru]
ewc78 wrote: » Fair enough. But this is my 3rd Marathon not my first.
Rossi7 wrote: » Well the Novices Plan has worked for a number of years so who am I to judge the training plan
Pink11 wrote: » I'm tempted to race it but PMP is probably wiser. Keep the half racing till after DCM. Have gingerbread half in November.
EC1000 wrote: » Rossi7 wrote: » The majority of peolple doing DCM will have the half as part of their training plan ( boards novices and HH have it penciled in with a 20miler the next week) Yep, and that is fine. However, if you have any sort of a niggle take care not to race it at the cost of the following week's training as the next three to four weeks from now are vital for 20mile+ efforts (in my opinion!). If you need a week to recover from the half, there are very few weeks left for long runs when you take taper into consideration. It completely depends on the person though.
Rossi7 wrote: » The majority of peolple doing DCM will have the half as part of their training plan ( boards novices and HH have it penciled in with a 20miler the next week)
RayCun wrote: » The downside to going solely on training is that in training we are never sure how much harder we can go. After your 19 miler, you may have felt wrecked, you may have felt that you could have gone one for a couple of miles at MP, you may have felt that you could have switched from easy to MP earlier... but it's all kind of guesswork. You think you could do more, but you're not sure how much more. In a race situation, if you race it properly, then at the end of the race you think that was it, you emptied the tank, that was absolutely as fast as you could have gone for the distance. So that's a fixed point, while your training run is a bit of a mystery, you know you can go further/faster but don't know by how much. After you've run a marathon, you can compare your training for one marathon to your training for the next, and estimate how much you've improved between one and the other, how much faster you can go. But the first is more of a step into the unknown, so the more information you have to work out a realistic finishing time, the better.
EC1000 wrote: » Rossi7 wrote: » Would racing the half not give you a better indication of where your at regards your sub 4 goal Yes, but not at the expense of a week's training this close to the marathon. It will work for some (who can recover quickly from hard efforts) but some people could take a week to recover from a half marathon at race pace.
Rossi7 wrote: » Would racing the half not give you a better indication of where your at regards your sub 4 goal
ewc78 wrote: » Rather than worrying about what your half marathon time is or what a race predictor says based off times from other distances,is it not better to prepare yourself for running 26.2 miles at 9min/mile pace(or whatever your goal pace is) by training to have the endurance to do that.
ewc78 wrote: » I'm just gonna use it as a Marathon Pace run.
Lazare wrote: » Oh of course, a paceband holds no magic powers. I suppose what it represents though is a good pacing strategy, which is vitally important. Particularly for DCM which is set up for a negative. I had an excellent advice driven pacing strategy last year that I would not have been able to follow without that band.
