Cork Trucker wrote: » I was waiting for you to drop over there actually. Lets hope that the Whitechuch/Waterloo residents let this go to plan peacefully after they get the junction sorted. Charleville could be where the issue is for NIMBY's
marno21 wrote: » Today's DPER Capital Investment Tracker has good news. €56m to be spent on the M20 between now and 2022. It indicates a 2021 start but I think this is ambitious. This likely means that money is set aside for land acquisition before 2022 which is a positive.
marno21 wrote: » Looking that way. Unless there's a NIMBY squad in Rathduff we might even see an M20 before an M28.
Cork Trucker wrote: » Still 6/7 years at the earliest from the grand opening if everything goes to plan?
annfield1978 wrote: » Consultants have been pre qualified so waiting on Tender Documents for Stages 1 to 4 of the TII PM Guidelines. This summer there have been a number of significant tenders on the N2 (50km), M11 from M50 to Kilmancanogue, the N4 Mullingar to Longford Rooskey (50km), a Framework for 12 to 15 Schemes to be brought through planning plus the M20 PQQ, so they are being drip fed as consultants cant work on all of them at the same time
marno21 wrote: » I am really finding it hard to stay positive in any way about how this seems to be going. This was initially reactivated in November 2016 and now in 2019 there is going to be "project concept and feasibility". What was the €1m in 2017 and the €1.5m in 2018 for then ?
With regard to reporting requirements I would like to explain that, in line with the requirements of the Public Spending Code (PSC) and my Department's Capital Appraisal Framework (CAF), two sets of approvals are required in relation to projects such as the M20 Cork to Limerick motorway - approval of the Business Case and Cost Benefit Analysis (CBA) for the project and separately, approval by An Bord Pleanála (ABP) of an application for development consent. Neither of these milestones have yet been reached in respect of this project. TII has advised me that Technical Advisors for the project are currently being procured by Limerick City and County Council. As a consequence the planning and design of the Scheme are due to commence in 2019. This process will include a number of project stages including an examination of project concept and feasibility, options selection and design and environmental evaluation.
Isambard wrote: » The limit is currently 60km/h through that whole section as the roadworks aren't quite finished. You'd be hard pushed to find anyone doing that speed or slowing at all. A speed limit and an opened junction is not the solution unless you have draconian traffic calming to enforce it. A LILO would work perfectly well as a compromise as the people wishing to turn right now on to the N20 to travel to Whitechurch (the lack of which facility seems to be their main objection) could use the turn not far north which is a direct road to Whitechurch school via Sluggera Cross. Having said that, Council deserve every bit of criticism thrown at them for their handling of this.
AugustusMinimus wrote: » I keep saying that the limit should be reduced to 60kph with traffic calming introduced. What would be wrong with that. This works perfectly for plenty of junctions between Macroom and Cork on the equally trafficked N22. Closing the junction outright or even forcing LILO is typical Irish knee jerk. Very little thought at all what this could do for the local community in Waterloo. None at all.
Aontachtoir wrote: » Do you genuinely think that is the argument here, or are you just being facetious? This is a tough call for the council. I imagine if they re-open it the junction as a LILO though we will see a surge in illegal U-turns adjacent to the junction. Closing it until the M20 is built sounds like the safest option.
AugustusMinimus wrote: » Should we close all sections of road where there have been accidents?
Isambard wrote: » chances are all the locals are signatories to the petition and deaf and blind at times. I wasn't advocating it btw
Isambard wrote: » surprising no one went up there at night with a JCB
Cork Trucker wrote: » The junction that takes one to Grenagh & Bweeng which is before you go up the hill to Rathduff? Fatal accident there in recent years involving a minor.
Cork Trucker wrote: » As for the stop sign, it is there, or at least it was when I last used the junction. The hard shoulder is indeed used as a merging lane.
AugustusMinimus wrote: » The junction at the picnic area is just as dangerous. Why is that being left open while proposing to close this one. If I were a resident I’d be fuming. Just drop the speed limit and introduce traffic calming at the junction.
marno21 wrote: » A LILO junction is of no use to local residents. They require a LIRO junction. The Waterloo -> Whitechurch movement requires a right turn from the Waterloo Link Road to the N20. There are a few solutions here: 1. Close the junction. This affects locals quite a lot and this is seen in the protests. 2. A LILO junction. This affects locals half as much, they can complete the Whitechurch -> Waterloo movement but not the opposite movement. 3. Ban right turns from the N20 southbound to the Waterloo Road. Retain right turn from Waterloo to the N20: I would be in favour of this option. Ban the primary cause of these accidents, which is traffic using assisted navigation using the Waterloo turn off to access Blarney from the Mallow side. The reverse movement will not be an issue as it would be a left turn. This setup retains local access, until the M20 finally puts this issue to bed. The simple solution here would have been if Cork County Council had bridged this road in the late 80s when it was being built, as they did with the Station Road in Blarney.
