Clareman wrote: » Waterford will probably have to come up with a new style of play, their "sweeper type" system has seen it's day I think. I don't know if I'd be calling Tipp the kingpins of Munster, this decade they've had 4 Munster and 2 All Ireland titles, that doesn't scream domiantion to me
Clareman wrote: » I think Limerick showed this year that the route to take is the third place playoffs, I know a lot of people want a Munster title but I would be willing to do without 1, this year's one was there for the taking except for the idiotic warm up. It was pointed out to me recently that Clare have only won 4 All Ireland's in the past 100 years and 3 All Ireland's in the past 25, we're an All Ireland team really :D
Clareman wrote: » I think we are really going to struggle next year, being honest we were going nowhere until Tipp hit the post. You have to win your home games, next year we have Cork (who have the beating of us every time we play) and Tipp who will have a new manager.
deaddonkey15 wrote: » I wouldn't agree with that at all. Best way to get to an All-Ireland final is the route Cork took and had they held on for another couple of minutes they'd have beaten Limerick in the semi. I'd have given them every chance against Galway too. We were well capable of beating Galway on both days this year and I'd have fancied us to have beaten Limerick in the final. The fact that we didn't get there has little to do with us losing a Munster final. Finish third in Munster and you're guaranteed to meet Kilkenny or Galway before reaching Croke Park. I'm a lot more optimistic to be honest. I think we learned this year that we are capable of beating anyone else. I think we had that capability for a while but failed to prove it. If we can build on our performances this year we should definitely be getting out of Munster. We have a bit of a fortress in Ennis and have our two toughest games there. Tipp and Waterford under new management. I wouldn't be surprised if Limerick have a bit of a hangover from their AI win also.
Keano wrote: Not the first person I heard mention trying him out there.
Henno30 wrote: It's insane.
Clareman wrote: The biggest problems with Tony Kelly is that he doesn't like to mark someone and doesn't cope well when he is being closely marked, having him as an out and out back would be a disaster. Speaking of Kelly, I honestly don't know what position to play him in as he seems to be most interested in being a free man and going wherever he pleases, look at the last play against Galway this year he turned up behind the full back line.
17togo wrote: » Here's a thought, now don't go mental just an idea I've had! There's no doubting Kellys skill, athletism and natural talent. But there is some doubting to his shot selection at times. Also no doubting we need a new center back...... You see where I'm going with this...... If you look at some of Kellys better performances over the last few years years even snippets of games where is has generally been poor but has spells where he is in the game. He comes deep and picks up ball around the half back line takes it on and delivers into the forwards. Good ball into the forwards is vital. Center back position isn't like when Seanie owned it, it's different now with the shorter passing. You might say Kelly can't win his own ball so he can't defend, well Cleary definitely couldn't defend either but at least I'd imagine Kelly has the ability to learn adequately, and he all ready has the skill to deliver quality ball into our forwards! He needs a defined role, nobody seems to know if he's a forward or a midfield player. Discuss..... Be gentle :-)
Henno30 wrote: Kelly was the second top scorer from play in the championship this year. His biggest weaknesses are tackling and winning contested ball. I don't see how you can put those two together and come up with an argument that he should be played at centre back.
Clareman wrote: Cleary is out centre back now, no point in trying anyone else, he's out centre back, yes he was sh1te in a few games and his weaknesses were found out but in the 2 games against Galway he did a great job on Canning who is by far the best centre forward in the country.
Clareman wrote: » Cleary is out centre back now, no point in trying anyone else, he's out centre back,
Shane_ef wrote: » Isn't that what the early part of the league is for nowadays? Throw in new talent or players into new positions to see how they perform..
Hidalgo wrote: » The current management didn't really adhere to that theory in this yrs league. By and large we went with the same line out round after round. The most obvious example was Waterford away, we had already qualified for knockouts and played close to our strongest 15.
Henno30 wrote: » They said early on that they were using it as a dry run for the new Munster champ format. It was a risk strategy. That sort of a selection policy can be a killer for morale. I can't muster up any enthusiasm for the alternatives at 6. We have plenty of lads who look lovely on the ball but none of them hold the position as well as Cleary does.
finbarrk wrote: » Kilmihill v St. Breckans Doonbeg v Lissycasey
Hidalgo wrote: » His striking for me is his biggest weakness for a centre back. On a few occasions he got onto loose ball around the middle, a high class centre back would have taken the shot but hes just not a natural enough striker of the ball. That said, he offers a physical presence, something we're not overly blessed with
FitzShane wrote: » Any idea when and where these are on? EDIT: weekend of 29th & 30th but don't know where.
Shane_ef wrote: » Any thoughts on the weekends football? I was at the double header in Kilrush 2* minor annoyances, firstly the Game times, 5pm is very late for a game on Sunday especially for any student returning to college in Dub, Waterford etc Not sure why they couldn't have been 1:15 and 3pm games And While Kilrush did a good job accommodating the large corwd, I still have issues with the parking they do.. I know of 2 people boxed in for 5 -10 mins after deciding to leave the second game just on half time (a common occurrence during double headers) and I know it's not a big deal but in the event of someone having to leave extremely quickly those few minutes could be vital Game wise, (I'm not reporter ) Clondegad were comfortable against Kilmihil, looked like Kilmihil were playing the wrong kind of game, some great passages of play on both side, but the TK - Gary Brennan combo is hard to beat. Cooraclare were the better team on the day, the game could have gotten away from the Ref as there was more and more cynical play, lots of off the ball stuff, I must have seen Pierce Lillis get hopped 6-7 times off the ball, some super scores given the swirling winds Should be some good quarter finals Pot A: KIB, Cratloe, Miltown, Ennistymon Pot B: Cooraclare, Eire Óg, Clondegad, Corofin Repeat pairings will be avoided as far as is possible And the Senior B won't be a dull affair either St Breckans, Doonbeg, kilmihil, Lissycasy (After they started I think general clare fans have stopped going yo clare club senior football matches with many years or following it even in the media for obvious reasons. Most people dont recall weekend games or remember last years champions.Tbh and this is my opinion that a debate on clare county football championship is not toò interesting to many clare fans when at a time especially when the heartland of clare football i.e west clare is in danger of been wiped out of senior grade completely. Kilrush the biggest town in the west of the county does not play senior anymore and 31 years since won the senior championship something terribly wrong. Kilkee another town closeby and they dont play senior anymore either. Now Doonbeg could loose their senior status. Miltown and Kilmhil had no senior teams either up to recently. Its a miracle at all that there is a senior championship with the heart of the west tradition which appears to be gone forever. I cant then understand why one would be remotely interested in the senior club football championship. Cooraclare also not far ahead of the relegation pack who will struggle to stay senior too next year and years after given their display last weekend. And here we are well into september and no closer to the final despite the intercounty championship been kicked around in both hurling and football and been condensed and finished off too early for nothing! It seems like winter since mid august! And no sign yet of a county final been played before October! Clubs are messing all the time and dragging it out.
Henno30 wrote: » The current Clare backs will have to get better. Diarmuid Ryan & Rory Hayes will be challenging for places, as will O'Brien & Dillon. But there won't be any major transformation. Marginal improvement is the most we're probably going to get. The reality is that Clare's strength is as an attacking outfit and they will succeed or fail on the basis of how well their attack functions. The two big issues on that front are the ball winning ability in the half-forward line and the decline of Conor McGrath closer to goal. Heaven and earth should be moved to persuade McGrath not to retire and to get him back to full fitness. He is one of the best goal scorers we've ever produced and if he retires in these circumstances it will be a disaster. In the half-forward line, we will need to do a lot of experimentation. Kelly will never be a ball winner but Duggan can't be the only target. Conlon & SOD are good ball winners but it wouldn't make sense to move them out. So we need someone new but god knows who.
