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The Frederick St protest and reaction

guylikeme

Surprised there wasnt a thread. Maybe there's just no shock factor any more to what happens.

Anyways..without debating who is right or wrong on this, id like to hear why Gardai wore Balacalavas. Seems a little overdone.

I am of course coming in late to all this, fill me in if i'm missing obvious detail.

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[Deleted User]

100 peaceful protesters holding the city to ransom. Shame, Shame, Shame on them.

"HOUSING PROTESTERS HAVE blocked traffic in Dublin this evening after more than 100 people gathered to attend a demonstration in the city centre.

Dozens of people first gathered outside a property previously occupied by the Take Back the City campaign on North Fredrick Street, following the group’s eviction from the site last night.

The demonstration was organised after six people arrested were arrested when a private security firm and gardaí removed activists from the vacant building."

http://www.thejournal.ie/traffic-housing-protest-dublin-fredrick-street-4232688-Sep2018/

Wheeliebin30

20Cent wrote: »

Every protest ever:
1. They have been protesting for over an hour now and the issue hasn't been instantly solved.
2. They are protesting in the wrong place should be somewhere else.
3. They are blocking traffic or the pathway waaaa.

Ffs

What about people trying to get home to pick up kids from crèche and have no other alternative?

Juanito13

What great citizens! Hindering access to a major maternity hospital.

[Deleted User]

Sheeps wrote: »

Not entirely sure why that would matter? They're probably most affected. I was there and I'm in my 30's and a senior tech worker who's trapped renting. There's also a contingent of about 500,000 adults who are trapped at home still with the parents because the situation is ridiculous, im sure some of them were there, not to mention the homeless.

where did you get that figure

that is an absolutely preposterous claim tbh

_brendand_

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

And by occupying someone’s property illegal is the right way to go about it?

If it's a disused building that some rich prick is sitting on while it appreciates then yeah

steves2

Was driving through the city Sunday morning with the missus who's not Irish, went past those little 2 story houses just down from the IFSC and on the way to the Samuel Beckett bridge. I wouldn't call myself socialist or capitalist but the idea that they could still be there in that location in a modern city is ridiculous, we were in Madrid the week before and it's like night and day comparing. If Ireland wants to "solve" the housing crisis it would help by looking at how our European friends do things on the continent. And if you want a free house, you shouldn't get to pick where it is.

Wheeliebin30

_brendand_ wrote: »

If it's a disused building that some rich prick is sitting on while it appreciates then yeah

Rich prick?

Any link to the owner been a prick?

Are you jealous of people been successful?

Kermit.de.frog

Don't these people have jobs? It's a Wednesday evening...

Yer Da sells Avon

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Rich prick?

Any link to the owner been a prick?

Are you jealous of people been successful?

If your 'success' is based around buying properties and allowing them to appreciate during a housing crisis, while doing nothing with them, then you are neither a decent nor productive person - you're a leech.

[Deleted User]

White_hills wrote: »

I have a job, a good professional one at that and I was there. What's one evenings inconvenience as opposed to the inconvenience of no disposable income due to high rents? Or when your friends can't move home to Ireland as they can't find anywhere to live? Or you wonder how people from the county can afford to send their children to college with the high rents? Or when a guy lives in a tent at the top of your road? (In before the why don't you take him in comment) or families are sleeping in cars?

And I'm the dick...

then put yourself to inconvenience by all means. thats your right and your choice.

leave me and everyone else out of it.

and thats a powerful list of people youve appointed yourself nuisance-in-chief for. i hope they all asked you to represent them by f*cking up the evening of several dozen thousand people.

and yes.

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

You want rent to come down?? Let politicians who call to your house know that you are fed up with parasites who never worked a day in their life getting prime real estate in the capital city. Move them to Leitrim, Longford etc. There’s no need for them to be in the capital. Me ma lives there is no excuse. Get them out and it will release huge tracts of housing for the crushed middle income workers.

there is every need for them to be in the capital. that's where the vast amount of resources are. other counties have their own people needing help, it's not up to them to be a dumping ground for those wanting the social cleansing of those they deem the "wrong stock"
it's not as if those counties would get more resources, so if we are lucky, we are then going to have a ridiculously high cost regeneration program decades down the line, just like we had with the parts of dublin and other cities where we simply dumped people in the past.

P_1

Was at it after work but left when it started getting ineffective.

Really the elites should be targeted, not people trying to get home from work. Block the slum landlords into their homes and boycott their businesses.

Wheeliebin30

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

If your 'success' is based around buying properties and allowing them to appreciate during a housing crisis, while doing nothing with them, then you are neither a decent nor productive person - you're a leech.

How do you know this is the situation?

20Cent

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Rich prick?

Any link to the owner been a prick?

Are you jealous of people been successful?

If they are so wealthy they can leave building you own to rot while there is a housing crisis they're probably a prick yes.

[Deleted User]

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Rich prick?

Any link to the owner been a prick?

Are you jealous of people been successful?

You set your standards for what would be defined as 'success' at an extraordinary low level.

yabadabado

_brendand_ wrote: »

If it's a disused building that some rich prick is sitting on while it appreciates then yeah

Its still breaking the law ,you may not agree with it but occupying it is a prick act as well.
court and garda resources wasted.

Wheeliebin30

20Cent wrote: »

If they are so wealthy they can leave building you own to rot while there is a housing crisis they're probably a prick yes.

It’s their PRIVATE property they can do as they please with it.

**** me whats next I don’t use my car for a few days should I give it to some homeless person??

White_hills

[Deleted User] wrote: »

then put yourself to inconvenience by all means. thats your right and your choice.

leave me and everyone else out of it.

and thats a powerful list of people youve appointed yourself nuisance-in-chief for. i hope they all asked you to represent them by f*cking up the evening of several dozen thousand people.

and yes.

Nuisance in chief! Brilliant. Home your home now!

20Cent

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It’s their PRIVATE property they can do as they please with it.

**** me whats next I don’t use my car for a few days should I give it to some homeless person??

If it's empty just sitting there then it makes no difference to them if someone moves in.

Yer Da sells Avon

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It’s their PRIVATE property they can do as they please with it.

Try adding an extra window to the front or your private property and you'll find that you can't do what you want with it.

Kermit.de.frog

20Cent wrote: »

If they are so wealthy they can leave building you own to rot while there is a housing crisis they're probably a prick yes.

No obligation to do anything. It's their property. You can think of them what you like.

Does not change the facts on the ground.

There may be very good reasons houses are not being rented also.

Also there seems to be an assumption somebody is rich because they may own a run down house.

yabadabado

20Cent wrote: »

If it's empty just sitting there then it makes no difference to them if someone moves in.

Of course it does,so naive.
What happens if one of these people who broke in injured themselves ?

[Deleted User]

White_hills wrote: »

Nuisance in chief! Brilliant. Home your home now!

walked home as was the plan, chief

you achieved martyrdom on behalf of this cause yet? the chap in the tent saved now?

andekwarhola

I do agree with people's anger about the housing crisis and while some of the stuff being flung around about landlords is wooly student union bilge (as if owning a rental peppery makes you a capitalist oppressor), I do think there needs to be a balance struck between property rights and sitting on large amounts of unused land and property, especially in central locations. I'd welcome CPOs in a lot of those cases.

yabadabado

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Try adding an extra window to the front or your private property and you'll find that you can't do what you want with it.

Why would they do that?
Only making it easier for some prick to break in and occupy it .

_brendand_

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It’s their PRIVATE property they can do as they please with it.

**** me whats next I don’t use my car for a few days should I give it to some homeless person??

Well they *can* but is it right that during a housing crisis buildings are left unoccupied and unused? I agree that the more correct way to go about it is to encourage the owners of these properties to use them for such purposes by the appropriate incentives, but I imagine that was the intent of the protest. If you're determined to think that the protestors just wanted trouble and nothing else, so be it.

Wheeliebin30

Imagine trying to drive your pregnant wife to the rotunda earlier with these morons blocking the way.

Sound lads.

Yer Da sells Avon

These Pints Are Savage wrote: »

Have you heard of planning permission?

The point I'm making is that you should similarly have to apply for permission to leave a house vacant.

_brendand_

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No obligation to do anything. It's their property. You can think of them what you like.

Does not change the facts on the ground.

There may be very good reasons houses are not being rented also.

Also there seems to be an assumption somebody is rich because they may own a run down house.

If you have a house in the center of Dublin which you can afford to not use or rent out, you are most definitely rich, or an idiot (or maybe a rich idiot, but only one need to apply here).

McMurphy

weldoninhio wrote: »

But they weren’t working for/in conjunction with the GardaThey were there to evict people who were illegally occupying a building, more than likely on the behest of the building owner.

The Gardaere there to ensure that no one, evictors or evictees broke the law. The Gardaere not on either side.

"More than likely at the behest of the building owner".... in other words, you don't know, and AGS are refusing to comment who employed the unknown heavy enforcers.

Perhaps the Gards just coincidentally arrived at the same time as the heavies arrived, the two just had a chance meeting upon the street of an early Autumn evening?

This is After Hours I know, where anything can happen, the place where people will turn a blind eye to potential skullduggery taking place by people in unmarked vans with missing reg at the front, UK reg at the back right under the Gards noses, because you know they where there to uphold the law.

Yet at the same time I think this forum would go into meltdown if there was a thread opened that centred on a clapped out van with missing UK registered plates that happened to be driven by a member of a certain minority group. ......

So as I have already said, it's a bit rich to preach that the Gards were there to facilitate this gang of masked men, who if acting in a security capacity, one would expect to be obliged to wear some kind of identification, let alone be driving a vehicle that complied with our road traffic laws.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would have thought these same folk would expect to see the law of the land applied to each party, impartiality being assumed obviously?