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Serena's meltdown

Kivaro

Being an admirer of what she has done on court and proving that mothers can be excellent athletes after giving birth, a different side of Serena Williams may have been exposed in her outburst at the US Open yesterday.

But here's the deal after watching a number of reports of the incident, I am amazed by the amount of people rushing to support her. Experts in tennis validated the sanctions imposed by the umpire; yet still she publicly called him a liar and a cheat, and said that she was "here fighting for womens rights" and the umpire sanctioned her because she was a woman. She said if a man was on court, it would not have happened. So the umpire, according to Serena, was a sexist, liar, and cheat. And she said all of this on the court in front of a massive crowd and on live TV.

Speaking to the media after the event, she said it was "sexist" of the umpire to take a game away from her. "But I'm going to continue to fight for women.", she said. Some of her supporters have accused the umpire of being racist and that he was on a misogynistic power trip. Get a grip, it was a tennis game; not a human rights march.

You can go online to see her outbursts yesterday, but I find it mind boggling that so much these days is attributed to sexism/racism/whateverism when things don't go their way.

Meanwhile, Naomi Osaka, who became the first Japanese player to win a major singles final, was left in tears as a result of the incident.

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[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Because she is refusing to take responsibility and cried sexism. Have any males players done that.

Well as Sue Barker has said, plenty of men have given umpires worse abuse, without being penalised. There is a legitimate question about how even-handed the penalty is, yes.

WinnyThePoo

Gregor Dimitrov got a game penalty for continuously smashing his rackets a couple of years ago.

Huntergonzo

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

I dont get the amount of support for Serena on this (listening to Newstalk) seems like she can do no wrong. How is it sexism when your opponent is also female??

Haha listen don't mind Newstalk, they're the most anti-man station on radio, I honestly doubt a day goes by that they aren't highlighting womens issues and sexism and 'the gender pay gap' etc etc (all caused by men of course!)

Now that's not to say that they shouldn't highlight issues that women may have, they absolutely should but there's a very clear and dilberate imbalance because mens issues are not a concern for them and rarely get a mention.

[Deleted User]

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The umpire handled her outburst perfectly. ........that was what her problem was. She is used to getting away with her bullying

What bullying has she engaged in, specifically?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Assetbacked wrote: »

Lisa Tierney-Keogh (it begins with the ridiculous double-barrel name) has written an article for the Irish Times on the matter and unsurprisingly, given her history with articles, she has gone off on some personal agenda, making ridiculous points about Serena standing up to sexism by pointing her finger at the man of an umpire etc. She links the whole thing to the MeToo movement and rapists together with sexual harassment then, predictably for such a self-absorbed weapon, she spends the last third of the article talking about herself and her returning from emigration (clearly she had to leave due to a lack of employable skillset). She appears to have zero context to the whole incident with Serena andto tennis in general! Genuinely, to attempt to reason with someone like her would be the equivalent to hammering one's head into a brick wall.

Does anybody buy that rag anymore?

There was a time the IT left would have attacked the boorish American bully. But with the rise of identity politics (largely driven from the US) that’s all gone. Here’s a privileged American woman, playing in front of a partisan American crowd, who ruins the victory of another woman with her histrionics. And she’s the victim.

Franz Von Peppercorn

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What bullying has she engaged in, specifically?

She told the umpire she’d have his job.

Ficheall

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Well as Sue Barker has said, plenty of men have given umpires worse abuse, without being penalised. There is a legitimate question about how even-handed the penalty is, yes.

Here's the same umpire picking on a fellow evil white male by mistake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJm_oYcDMkM

khaldrogo

super_furry wrote:

The umpire and then Osaka for daring to win. Horrible pricks.

Americans!!!

DEFTLEFTHAND

The Asian girl has a lot of class.

This pig ignorant woman ruined the greatest moment of her life with her narcissistic meltdown but yet she can keep a dignified silence on the matter.

GLaDOS

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Well as Sue Barker has said, plenty of men have given umpires worse abuse, without being penalised. There is a legitimate question about how even-handed the penalty is, yes.

From reading the umpire's wiki page, he has a reputation for being a stickler for the rules and has previously given court violations to the likes of Kyrgios, Murray and Djokovic. Doesn't sound like he was picking on SW.

Sam Quentin

I still can't get over that epic move by God when he was creating us/humans. Like how did he even think of it, creating womens feet smaller than men, just so they can get closer to the kitchen sink, I know God is a man but that forward thinking was just epic......

KrustyUCC

'He handled that match perfectly. I support him 110%' - former umpire backs Ramos against sexism claims

Former leading umpire Richard Ings has backed Carlos Ramos against allegations of sexism and other improprieties in the wake of Serena Williams' US Open final defeat.

Williams was docked a game in the crucial second set of her match against Naomi Osaka for calling the experienced Ramos a "thief" - and she used her subsequent post-match press conference to call her penalty "sexist".

Her stance was swiftly backed by the WTA Tour's chief executive Steve Simon, and US great Billie-Jean King, both of whom also questioned the initial code violation handed to Williams for on-court coaching.

But Ings, who penalised John McEnroe a game during a match against Boris Becker in 1987, hailed Ramos for his decisions and said he umpired the match "absolutely perfectly".

Speaking on BBC Radio Four's Today programme, Ings said: "Carlos Ramos is an umpire with 40 years of experience.

"He handled that match absolutely perfectly. He saw violations and he had the courage of his convictions to call them when he saw them.

"I support him 110%. It was one of the best officiating jobs that I've seen in years."

https://www.rte.ie/sport/tennis/2018/0910/992863-he-handled-that-match-perfectly-i-support-him-110/

TheValeyard

GLaDOS wrote: »

From reading the umpire's wiki page, he has a reputation for being a stickler for the rules and has previously given court violations to the likes of Kyrgios, Murray and Djokovic. Doesn't sound like he was picking on SW.

Im still fuming over that. Hard enough to play when you dont have arms. The pr*ck.

[Deleted User]

GLaDOS wrote: »

From reading the umpire's wiki page, he has a reputation for being a stickler for the rules and has previously given court violations to the likes of Kyrgios, Murray and Djokovic. Doesn't sound like he was picking on SW.

I don't believe he was picking on her, I'm just questioning whether his approach is consistent with how umpires approach the rules more generally. SW's reaction was definitely emotional, OTT, but I think umpires should generally be like children of old -- not seen and not heard.

Nobody really cares about court etiquette. Some of these guys need to get out of the 19th century.

[Deleted User]

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Well as Sue Barker has said, plenty of men have given umpires worse abuse, without being penalised. There is a legitimate question about how even-handed the penalty is, yes.

So its the cries of sexism that is making this such a big deal

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

So its the cries of sexism that is making this such a big deal

Sorry, but that's not entirely what's making this "a big deal".

Anyone who's watched tennis is used to seeing a certain amount of player kickback against umpire decisions. The umpire was almost certainly operating within the rules, but his rulings were definitely a bit out of the ordinary. Plenty of umpires just turn a blind eye to outbursts, because they know that emotions can become heated in sport. But as other posters have alluded to, this umpire seems particularly sensitive to such criticism.

All i'm saying is that umpires shouldn't try to be the stars of the show. Nobody cares about an umpire's feelings, and I'd rather not see a major sportstar impeded in her career by an umpire's hurt feelings.

thebaz

Assetbacked wrote: »

Lisa Tierney-Keogh (it begins with the ridiculous double-barrel name) has written an article for the Irish Times on the matter and unsurprisingly, given her history with articles, she has gone off on some personal agenda, making ridiculous points about Serena standing up to sexism by pointing her finger at the man of an umpire etc. She links the whole thing to the MeToo movement and rapists together with sexual harassment then, predictably for such a self-absorbed weapon, she spends the last third of the article talking about herself and her returning from emigration (clearly she had to leave due to a lack of employable skillset). She appears to have zero context to the whole incident with Serena andto tennis in general! Genuinely, to attempt to reason with someone like her would be the equivalent to hammering one's head into a brick wall.

The Irish Time and Independent , and the media in general, seam completly biased towards women these days - I am all for equality, have a son and daughter who I want to have equal opportunities , and realise women were wrongly viewed as second class citizens up to fairlly recently - but things have changed - happily woman and men have equal opportunities today in Ireland, if anything in some industries women have better options- but the hardline feminists controlling the Irish media I actually find dangerous today - please - a little balance - all men are not bad. Serena was out of order, shes human , shes a top competive athlete, but sexism on this - do me a favour.

7aubzxk43m2sni

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't believe he was picking on her, I'm just questioning whether his approach is consistent with how umpires approach the rules more generally. SW's reaction was definitely emotional, OTT, but I think umpires should generally be like children of old -- not seen and not heard.

Nobody really cares about court etiquette. Some of these guys need to get out of the 19th century.

I don't really care too much for tennis, but I'd argue that some people very much care about court etiquette. It's part of respect for the game. In a similar vein, people don't come in tracksuit bottoms or beach shorts to golf or snooker, and they act appropriately while they're playing.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sorry, but that's not entirely what's making this "a big deal".

Anyone who's watched tennis is used to seeing a certain amount of player kickback against umpire decisions. The umpire was almost certainly operating within the rules, but his rulings were definitely a bit out of the ordinary. Plenty of umpires just turn a blind eye to outbursts, because they know that emotions can become heated in sport. But as other posters have alluded to, this umpire seems particularly sensitive to such criticism.

All i'm saying is that umpires shouldn't try to be the stars of the show. Nobody cares about an umpire's feelings, and I'd rather not see a major sportstar impeded in her career by an umpire's hurt feelings.

An umpire shouldn't have to tolerate abuse and there should be consequences for such behaviour. You don't see rugby lads shouting at a referee.

Itssoeasy

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sorry, but that's not entirely what's making this "a big deal".

Anyone who's watched tennis is used to seeing a certain amount of player kickback against umpire decisions. The umpire was almost certainly operating within the rules, but his rulings were definitely a bit out of the ordinary. Plenty of umpires just turn a blind eye to outbursts, because they know that emotions can become heated in sport. But as other posters have alluded to, this umpire seems particularly sensitive to such criticism.

All i'm saying is that umpires shouldn't try to be the stars of the show. Nobody cares about an umpire's feelings, and I'd rather not see a major sportstar impeded in her career by an umpire's hurt feelings.

So calling the umpire a thief is okay is it ? No umpire or official should have to stand for being called a liar and thief. I don't blame the umpire for taking offense to being called a thief and a liar.

The umpire wasn't trying to be the star of the show. Serena Williams was going to make sure she was the one talked about win or lose and she is.

2 Scoops

Race race race!

"The victory was a hollow one, alas, forever tainted by the same old sexist, misogynistic tropes that women, and black women in particular, have been dealing with for centuries. Osaka says she grew up idolizing Williams. And well she should have, not just for the way Williams has played the game but also for what she has represented throughout her career. Thanks to Williams, the path that Osaka follows in tennis and in life may be a little less difficult, but there is plenty of work left to be done."

LMAO

Itssoeasy

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Well as Sue Barker has said, plenty of men have given umpires worse abuse, without being penalised. There is a legitimate question about how even-handed the penalty is, yes.

And that's an issue for the ATP to address not the WTA.

sightband

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sorry, but that's not entirely what's making this "a big deal".

Anyone who's watched tennis is used to seeing a certain amount of player kickback against umpire decisions. The umpire was almost certainly operating within the rules, but his rulings were definitely a bit out of the ordinary. Plenty of umpires just turn a blind eye to outbursts, because they know that emotions can become heated in sport. But as other posters have alluded to, this umpire seems particularly sensitive to such criticism.

All i'm saying is that umpires shouldn't try to be the stars of the show. Nobody cares about an umpire's feelings, and I'd rather not see a major sportstar impeded in her career by an umpire's hurt feelings.

how much do you actually know about tennis? of your 5607 posts how many of them are about tennis?

Itssoeasy

2 Scoops wrote: »

Race race race!

"The victory was a hollow one, alas, forever tainted by the same old sexist, misogynistic tropes that women, and black women in particular, have been dealing with for centuries. Osaka says she grew up idolizing Williams. And well she should have, not just for the way Williams has played the game but also for what she has represented throughout her career. Thanks to Williams, the path that Osaka follows in tennis and in life may be a little less difficult, but there is plenty of work left to be done."

LMAO

Jaysus help us. I'd hope that Naomi Osaka doesn't take any cue from Serena Williams in regard to how to conduct yourself on the court. From a tennis playing stand point absolutely as despite all the stuff that went on during the final, you don't win as much as she has in tennis by not being bloody good at it.

The Crowman

2 Scoops wrote: »

Race race race!

"The victory was a hollow one, alas, forever tainted by the same old sexist, misogynistic tropes that women, and black women in particular, have been dealing with for centuries. Osaka says she grew up idolizing Williams. And well she should have, not just for the way Williams has played the game but also for what she has represented throughout her career. Thanks to Williams, the path that Osaka follows in tennis and in life may be a little less difficult, but there is plenty of work left to be done."

LMAO

So she gets a free pass on the "is it cos I is black?" defense.

The Rape of Lucretia

2 Scoops wrote: »

Race race race!

LMAO

The USA hasnt known how to deal with race since its foundation. It still hasnt a clue.

Bob Harris

2 Scoops wrote: »

Race race race!

"The victory was a hollow one, alas, forever tainted by the same old sexist, misogynistic tropes that women, and black women in particular, have been dealing with for centuries. Osaka says she grew up idolizing Williams. And well she should have, not just for the way Williams has played the game but also for what she has represented throughout her career. Thanks to Williams, the path that Osaka follows in tennis and in life may be a little less difficult, but there is plenty of work left to be done."

LMAO

oh fúck off, greatest load of cock I ever read

The Rape of Lucretia

Marissa Gorgeous Beast wrote: »

An umpire shouldn't have to tolerate abuse and there should be consequences for such behaviour.

Well, he needs to bone up on the rules too. Clearly, he didnt know the clause about not penalising mothers. She wasnt hysterical - she was just informing him of that point, and he should have reversed his decision once she made it known to him.

Noveight

Man, I love seeing people called out on their bullshít like this.

rovertom

I think the umpire should sue her personally.
He has been seen to have applied the rules as they are written yet she is persisting with her argument that she was hard done by and that she is fighting sexism and racism. This is clear by the tone of all comment from her since the event.
She is therefore doubling down on her thief and liar comments to the umpire while further damaging him by running with the black woman fighting sexism and racism. I believe she should be legally brought to account for that and the umpire adequately compensated together with receiving a public apology.

jmayo

seamusk84 wrote: »

To be fair Lewis Hamilton has never subscribed to that behavior. Sure he sulks and is petulant when he loses, but he never brings that into it.
He did once in jest, and it was blown out of all proportion by the media, but that was it.

hamilton is an ar** who has thrown it out about his poor background when it suited him.
He made references to not being born with a silver spoon unlike Rosberg.

He does of course forget to mention how he was basically adopted as a kid by one of the most powerful men in the sport with one of the best teams and fastracked into a major F1 team.

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Can i just but in here and remind y'all she is one of the greatest sports stars that has ever existed.

Just sayin.

Reminds of that other much lauded sports star, one mr ali, whose true character was shown in how he dealt with Joe Frazier, the man who had helped him when he was down.

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Seems pretty simple to me. She’s right. Men have said far worse and gotten away with it.

Did she see the coaching? Only she knows.

A game penalty seems insane. In a final. Of a grand slam.

Stupid umpire.

I say a lot of stuff seems pretty simple to you. :rolleyes:

Like a dangerous tackle that doesn't connect in soccer, it doesn't matter if she didn't see the coaching, he was doing it and that is against the rules.