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Serena's meltdown

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Being an admirer of what she has done on court and proving that mothers can be excellent athletes after giving birth, a different side of Serena Williams may have been exposed in her outburst at the US Open yesterday.

But here's the deal after watching a number of reports of the incident, I am amazed by the amount of people rushing to support her. Experts in tennis validated the sanctions imposed by the umpire; yet still she publicly called him a liar and a cheat, and said that she was "here fighting for womens rights" and the umpire sanctioned her because she was a woman. She said if a man was on court, it would not have happened. So the umpire, according to Serena, was a sexist, liar, and cheat. And she said all of this on the court in front of a massive crowd and on live TV.

Speaking to the media after the event, she said it was "sexist" of the umpire to take a game away from her. "But I'm going to continue to fight for women.", she said. Some of her supporters have accused the umpire of being racist and that he was on a misogynistic power trip. Get a grip, it was a tennis game; not a human rights march.

You can go online to see her outbursts yesterday, but I find it mind boggling that so much these days is attributed to sexism/racism/whateverism when things don't go their way.

Meanwhile, Naomi Osaka, who became the first Japanese player to win a major singles final, was left in tears as a result of the incident.

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Bob Harris

"This is not fair. Because I am a woman you are going to take this away from me."

Fair enough Serena, who gives a shít.

The Talking Bread

j4vier wrote: »

Serena lost the match mentally more than physically.

With her experience, she should have known in which direction things were going and smashing the racket is totally avoidable if you can control your feelings. Same thing for insulting the ref. Easier said than done of course, but she is a champion and this is what is expected from champions.

She did well in the post match interview though not to bring it up. It would have made her look bad and unfair towards Osaka

I thought she was very smug and calculated in ho she conducted herself on the podium tbh, post game. Her "I know it isn't the result we all wanted" particularly was a horrible distraction from Osaka's win.

Osaka was rightfully distraught. Literally apologetic for being part of Serena's "injustice" and what should have been her victory stolen from her by the big bad sexist umpire

velo.2010

Ironic that many involved in tennis have been waiting longingly for Williams to break the Grand Slam record of the bigoted Margaret Court. Looks like tennis will get another vile character to remain etched at the top of the record books for decades to come!

PropJoe10

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

They don’t get accused of coaching in a final when it was very very questionable if she even saw the HAND SIGNALS!!

A point violation for your coach shaking his hand at you from the crowd. Ridic

That's called "whataboutism". If men are getting away with their coaches giving them hand signals during matches, then that should be looked at. It doesn't make what happened yesterday right, though.

If Williams' coach was caught, then he was unlucky, but it doesn't make any difference if others have gotten away with it. The umpire was right.

MonkeyTennis

Richard Hillman wrote: »

McEnroe was hated in his hay day, so your memory is poor at best. As time progressed, and his career ended people looked back in more of a lighter view of it.

The same will happen with Nick Kyrios. He'll have lots of YouTube highlights, people will look back and laugh but forget that he was a massive bellend.

Thanks Dad. I was way out of line there.

squawker

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Anyway, just had to add a voice of support to her side of the argument in this thread..

don't think supporting a petulant womanchild is the way to go

she was bang out of order

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Errr no I never said anything of the sort. You may be quoting the wrong person there...

you kept bringing up Mac to justify some sort of sexist agenda against Serena

and men can act with impunity on the Tennis circuit

padd b1975

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Seems pretty simple to me. She’s right. Men have said far worse and gotten away with it.

Did she see the coaching? Only she knows.

A game penalty seems insane. In a final. Of a grand slam.

Stupid umpire.

She should be blaming her coach, they're both aware of the rules and the consequences of breaking them.

johnpatrick81

squawker wrote: »

a quick Google taken from Wikipedia

"The year did not end without controversy. While playing and winning the tournament in Stockholm, McEnroe had an on-court outburst that soon became notorious. After questioning a call made by the chair umpire, McEnroe demanded, "Answer my question! The question, jerk!" McEnroe then slammed his racquet into a juice cart beside the court in anger, and the stadium crowd booed him. He was suspended for 3 weeks (21 days) for exceeding a $7,500 limit on fines that had been created because of his behavior"

so you are saying Mac's outbursts where never sanctioned?

Errr no I never said anything of the sort. You may be quoting the wrong person there...

johnpatrick81

Anyway, just had to add a voice of support to her side of the argument in this thread.

It’s pretty toxic and many of the experts have likely never even watched a single game of tennis.

Most of the pros and former players seem to be on her side at least.

Such a shame for Osaka.

I don’t hold any I’ll feeling toward Serena for passionately defending her integrity out there. Maybe the manner of her argument could have been better, but in the heat of the moment I think it was understandable.

As Sue Barker quite rightly said, the loser here is tennis.

The rules need clarifying, especially the ridic “coaching” one.

That umpire picked a helluva moment to make a stand.

Richard Hillman

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

No.. no its not. If she believes that an injustice was carried out that she should be listened to. The amount of sexism and racism in this thread sickens me to my stomach. Im old enough to remember John McEnroe and how he was lauded for throwing temper tantrums

McEnroe was hated in his hay day, so your memory is poor at best. As time progressed, and his career ended people looked back in more of a lighter view of it.

The same will happen with Nick Kyrios. He'll have lots of YouTube highlights, people will look back and laugh but forget that he was a massive bellend.

squawker

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

F€C& YOU AND THE FVCKINH HORSE U RODE IN ON!!!

a quick Google taken from Wikipedia

"The year did not end without controversy. While playing and winning the tournament in Stockholm, McEnroe had an on-court outburst that soon became notorious. After questioning a call made by the chair umpire, McEnroe demanded, "Answer my question! The question, jerk!" McEnroe then slammed his racquet into a juice cart beside the court in anger, and the stadium crowd booed him. He was suspended for 3 weeks (21 days) for exceeding a $7,500 limit on fines that had been created because of his behavior"

so you are saying Mac's outbursts where never sanctioned?

Niles Crane

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

They don’t get accused of coaching in a final when it was very very questionable if she even saw the HAND SIGNALS!!

A point violation for your coach shaking his hand at you from the crowd. Ridic

She didn't get a point violation for the coaching incident she got a warning for it.

she got the point violation for smashing her racket which was a second offence and very black and white.

suicide_circus

Odhinn wrote: »

Where has she mentioned race in this incident, might I ask?

I don't think she did

The Talking Bread

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

No.. no its not. If she believes that an injustice was carried out that she should be listened to. The amount of sexism and racism in this thread sickens me to my stomach. Im old enough to remember John McEnroe and how he was lauded for throwing temper tantrums

Whether she believes it or not is irrellevant and has no correlation to her talent. In fact, being so talented and experienced, she should have the cop on to know how her reaction would be received both by the umpire and general public and, indeed, the lack of dignity and respect to Osaka.

She has a card of victim hood and she knows well when to pull it out. Strangely enough, mainly when she isn't winning.

johnpatrick81

Niles Crane wrote: »

They don't get away with constantly abusing the umpire during a match and calling them a thief.

They don’t get accused of coaching in a final when it was very very questionable if she even saw the HAND SIGNALS!!

A point violation for your coach shaking his hand at you from the crowd. Ridic

johnpatrick81

Giraffe Box wrote: »

McEnroe's first names are John Patrick, you just might be debating with the great man.

F€C& YOU AND THE FVCKINH HORSE U RODE IN ON!!!

j4vier

Serena lost the match mentally more than physically.

With her experience, she should have known in which direction things were going and smashing the racket is totally avoidable if you can control your feelings. Same thing for insulting the ref. Easier said than done of course, but she is a champion and this is what is expected from champions.

She did well in the post match interview though not to bring it up. It would have made her look bad and unfair towards Osaka

Niles Crane

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Because men get away with more abuse in every single tournament.

Damn straight it was sexism.

They don't get away with constantly abusing the umpire during a match and calling them a thief.

lawred2

She came across as a right arse

Niles Crane

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

1. True, but the game as a whole need to act on this and make the rules more specific.
2. Again it happens all the time and there is a certain grey area here.
3. It matters hugely. What a place to finally instill some of the vaguest and rarely instilled rules in the game. Grandstanding by the umpire.

The rules are specific, no coaching and Patrick Moratoglu admitted he was coaching Williams during the match so she has zero defence here.

johnpatrick81

take everything wrote: »

What has this to do with sex or race. I heard Serena Williams on the radio talking about sexism.

Why?
That's just ridiculous.
And the RTE radio 1 that I'm listening to now not questioning it.

Because men get away with more abuse in every single tournament.

Damn straight it was sexism.

The Crowman

She's a petulant bully, could never warm to her.

Giraffe Box

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I'll concede I confused you with another poster.

But the rest, is nonsense assessment of hat happened.

McEnroe's first names are John Patrick, you just might be debating with the great man.

Niles Crane

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

No.. no its not. If she believes that an injustice was carried out that she should be listened to. The amount of sexism and racism in this thread sickens me to my stomach. Im old enough to remember John McEnroe and how he was lauded for throwing temper tantrums

Using multiquote Please point out the posts where racism and sexism has been displayed on this thread.

I'll check back in an hour to see your findings.

johnpatrick81

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I'll concede I confused you with another poster.

But the rest, is nonsense assessment of hat happened.

Great debating there oh confused one.

johnpatrick81

Itssoeasy wrote: »

1. Men may have said worse but that doesn't take away from what Serena said and did.
2. As pointed out by another poster the fact she may not have seen it isn't the point. It seems the rule is against the intent.
3. Why should it matter what game and what tournament it was in ? The rules are there for a reason. A game penalty was for three violations of the rules.

1. True, but the game as a whole need to act on this and make the rules more specific.
2. Again it happens all the time and there is a certain grey area here.
3. It matters hugely. What a place to finally instill some of the vaguest and rarely instilled rules in the game. Grandstanding by the umpire.

MonkeyTennis

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Yes you can, but it is an utterly pointless post, given the context of the thread,

No.. no its not. If she believes that an injustice was carried out that she should be listened to. The amount of sexism and racism in this thread sickens me to my stomach. Im old enough to remember John McEnroe and how he was lauded for throwing temper tantrums

The Talking Bread

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

I’m 100% aware of what happened, watched it happen, Love tennis and even play it.

Wtf are you sh!teing on about?! Do I know you?

Ridiculous reffing. The “coaching” happens all the time and goes unpunished. The heated arguments happen all the time and go unpunished.

He punishes both, in a grand slam final. Obscene.

I'll concede I confused you with another poster.

But the rest, is nonsense assessment of hat happened.

take everything

What has this to do with sex or race. I heard Serena Williams on the radio talking about sexism.

Why?
That's just ridiculous.
And the RTE radio 1 that I'm listening to now not questioning it.

SouthDublin6w

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Seems pretty simple to me. She’s right. Men have said far worse and gotten away with it.

Did she see the coaching? Only she knows.

A game penalty seems insane. In a final. Of a grand slam.

Stupid umpire.

Ok so was when she used the same arguement in 2009 simple as well.

She is not fit to be USO champion.