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This notion that weed is grand needs some opposition

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I like weed fine. It feels warm and fuzzy, and it's a great relaxant. I prefer many Class As over it, but it has its place.

However, a lot of young people just think it's a nice and easy high with no downsides. With recent legalisation in American states, people think that this thing was a drug that should never have been banned. Now, I'm starting to believe that banning it was the right thing to do.

My friend tonight, a 36-year-old English guy, and probably the smarted person I've ever met, smoked a bit because he was offered it by his housemate, and instead of the great conversation we're used to, he was unable to string proper thoughts together. He could talk, but he ended up so frustrated with himself and his thinking that we called it a night early. He knew he could talk about these things better but couldn't manage it.

I myself will drop a pill or do a line nay problem, but the one thing I won't do is weed. It makes my brain incapable of forming coherent thoughts. Zombie-like is the only way to describe it, and my friend fitted that particular bill this evening. I'd rather be on speed in the jacks for an hour than be unable to converse in the smoking area.

Yeah, it won't physically harm you. But it will make you a bore. Some people will benefit from it and their social skills will improve etc., but for the vast majority, it just makes you a bit stupid and you'd do better on anything else. If you enjoy being "stoned" around people, then new friends or friends who want to talk about things you actually care about would be a better idea.

The only happiness myself or my friend have seen with weed is that nice feeling when you come out of the cloud and start to feel normal again. That "high" is way better.

(yes, I'm drunk)

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Owl.

Patww79 wrote: »

I've seen what it can do to people after long term use. It should remain banned and enforced with an iron fist.

Then alcohol should also be banned yes?

OldMrBrennan83

Owl. wrote: »

Then alcohol should also be banned yes?

No, it's not already banned.

Owl.

Patww79 wrote: »

No, it's not already banned.

So? I've seen what it can do to people after long term use. If it's dangerous (and I believe it has caused more damage to this country than any other drug) should it not be banned? The headshops were all forced to close for selling things that weren't previously banned. Why not alcohol?

Owl.

And someone constantly using the word "boring" is also boring.

Balanadan

Owl. wrote: »

And someone constantly using the word "boring" is also boring.

Boring!

buried

Autochange wrote: »

Iv never taken a weed before but I've heard stories about people who lose their minds from it. Fighting, reckless abandonment and in some cases murder.

Crazy stuff altogether.

That's not weed. That's called 3 a.m. outside the takeaway.

Iodine1

The damage is done over time and when it is seen it is too late and permanent. And it is frighteningly common among ex users. Keep the ban. Remember the head shops, they gave a sense that the products are legal so must be ok and safe, even with descriptions such as soap and weedkiller and do not consume, sales were rocketing. Gov. has to legislate for the general good so we need to keep the ban.

maccored

ive been smoking for 30 years its had no effect on ..... whatsyoucallit ... ah sure nevermind

maccored

thought to be fair, weed is like whiskey in that it depends how you take it.

Taking potent weed or not having the experience to have a guess at the strength of what you're smoking - basically looking just to get completely stoned - is a bit like drinking straight whiskey quickly, just to get drunk.

People though smoke grass thats more suited to their own taste in terms of potency. You can do everything you could ever do, but in a more relaxed way. Thats like drinking whiskey for the taste, or at least adding water first.

LirW

What bothers me is that some people see weed as the solution of all problems in the world, from textiles over food ingredient to magical hokey pokey cancer cure.
It's not as amazing as people make it out to be. It is versatile, yes, but people don't really care about hemp textiles or ropes really, many use that as a lame excuse for private use.

I don't like weed but I'd still be in favour of legalising it. Reason being, I'm a pretty avid plant person. It grows in so many different kinds and that makes it interesting. I know a thing or two about growing and caring for them and about their properties. I'm not cool with how modified the crap is that you now get in baggies from the friendly dealer around the corner, it's like only having a choice between 80% alcohol or nothing. I'd like to see that people get a feeling for what's out there and what works for them and that there are a lot of options and not only some "fcuk me up bad" weed.
People won't stop using it even now when it's illegal, I'd rather see some awareness taught like it happens with alcohol than a total ban.
Self-responsibility and all.

Canis Lupus

Balanadan wrote: »

Boring!

My mate has a 3D printer, could print a handgun in his living room if he wanted. Why are the big bad bullies telling him he can't do this even if he wanted to? He's only be shooting at tin cans ffs. Boo ****ing hoo.

I'd like to see you try and rob a bank with a spliff.

Balanadan

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I'd like to see you try and rob a bank with a spliff.

Hold it in your pocket and pretend it's a gun.

dxhound2005

Banks don't have cash nowadays.

Irish Kings

There were at least two lads that I grew up with who ended up with very serous mental health issues after smoking a fair bit of weed, and they have never been right since. Still in and out of psychiatric units yet. Having seen the damage done to them and their families first hand, I don't believe it's the innocent relaxant everyone is promoting it to be.

Gimme A Pound

Well plenty of people don't condone it, but I reckon its effects can depend on how much is used, and whether the person already has mental health problems.

I know one particular couple who used to spend their days stoned - really not good of course. Then he started to develop psychiatric issues, but they were already there - the weed exacerbated them. She was fine though - no issues in that regard, but she did stop using it in light of his problems.

Extremely regular usage is definitely not a good idea obviously but there are people who smoke it just now and again, like having a few pints now again, and don't have any problems from it.

North inner city hoodlum

Inform yourselves, the problems with weed is its illegality, who knows what the feck you're getting.

https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabisandmentalhealth.aspx?theme=mobile

"It is also known that not everyone who uses cannabis, even at a young age, develops a psychotic illness. The available research shows that those who have a family history of a psychotic illness, or those who have certain characteristics such as schizotypal personality, or possibly have certain types of genes, may increase the risk of developing a psychotic illness following the regular use of strong cannabis."

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Your Face wrote: »

It's not fashionable to be sceptical about legalising drugs.

A few years ago, when I first started advocating legalisation, people thought I was mad. Now a lot more people agree, which I think is great.

Living in Colombia has made me more in favour of legalisation than ever. It's easy to favour the war on drugs until you see the amount of damage it does.

storker

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Only sad fools, imo, will argue that at present illegal drugs should be made legal.
No one has ever been any smarter/wiser or richer from taking them.

You could say the same for Wine Gums, Tayto Crisps and Chocolate. Should they be banned too?

storker

Irish Kings wrote: »

There were at least two lads that I grew up with who ended up with very serous mental health issues after smoking a fair bit of weed, and they have never been right since. Still in and out of psychiatric units yet. Having seen the damage done to them and their families first hand, I don't believe it's the innocent relaxant everyone is promoting it to be.

Good point, but at the same time, prohibition didn't spare them its effects, did it?

I smoked some weed a few times many years ago. It didn't lead on to anything harder and it didn't cause any health problems. Most people i know tell me they've tried it at some point and yet they lead normal productive lives. Overdoing it with anything is bad, whether it's alcohol, cigarettes, fizzy drinks...or weed.

Mailcoachinn

Lackey wrote: »

before you come back to educate me....save yourself the bother... I'm about to get a ban

why would you smoke it if it didn't have some affect on you. (rhetorical question) no one sober spouts sh!te like 'relaxed and alert at the same time'

If you are ever out night driving in your little fantasy world 'relaxed and alert at the same time' and imagining yourself in some old black and white movie....and crash into my family, that we have worked our bolloxes off to get to where they are today,
I will take your fantasy living arse and bury you alive.

I'm not going to crash into you because I drive carefully.

You would never speak to me like that if you met me in person.

How do you propose to punish me. A good spanking?

Mailcoachinn

buried wrote: »

That's not weed. That's called 3 a.m. outside the takeaway.

Bunmahon right about now

foxatron

listermint wrote:

Yet the OP is ok with sniffing lines and dropping pills that came out of someone's arse.

listermint wrote:

Quality.

You obviously have experience in this. You should enlightened the thread on how this worked out for you. Not a great idea by your tone?

Your Face

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

A few years ago, when I first started advocating legalisation, people thought I was mad. Now a lot more people agree, which I think is great.

Living in Colombia has made me more in favour of legalisation than ever. It's easy to favour the war on drugs until you see the amount of damage it does.

So you were advocating legalisation before it was cool.:pac:

[Deleted User]

I've been smoking weed/cannabis since I was a teenager, and I'm now in my 40s. In my mid 20s, with a decent income, and a group of colleagues who also smoked, we would go through quite a bit regularly.

I can say, in all honesty, that my memory ability along with recall suffered from that period. My mind became slower, with a lack of quickness that was present prior to that. Oh, I've regained a lot of that quickness by working on it, but the idea that smoking doesn't affect your memory/mind, is rubbish.

Still.. I do believe that Adults should be able to choose. I still smoke weed occasionally. I avoid the bongs, or any heavy usage devices, but I'm very happy to have a few joints a couple of times a year. It's a comfortable drug, and I have a far better response from using it, than with Alcohol, or the dozen other drugs I've used. (Although Shrooms, and LSD will always have a tender place in my heart).

I would point out though that the important parts of this is to balance your intake with the realities of living, and to have the discipline to control your intake. I've friends who don't, and they're essentially wasters. On the flip side, I have other friends who smoke on the weekends, and run their own successful businesses the remainder of the time.

The stereotype of the waster stoner is simply a stereotype because many people don't have the self-discipline to control their lives. Not just doing drugs, but to balance the whole of their lives. Weed is just an easy excuse for them failing to take responsibility... but the excuse could just as easily be alcohol, gambling, computer games, etc. Excuses are easy to find.

For my own part, I say legalise and regulate it. Tax it, and have it provide some good for the country. Better quality weed on offer would go a long way to reduce the paranoia or the associated health risks. I suspect many of the issues I had from smoking weed, came from what was mixed with it to increase weight.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Your Face wrote: »

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

A few years ago, when I first started advocating legalisation, people thought I was mad. Now a lot more people agree, which I think is great.

Living in Colombia has made me more in favour of legalisation than ever. It's easy to favour the war on drugs until you see the amount of damage it does.

So you were advocating legalisation before it was cool.:pac:

Hipster drug legalization.

I definitely believed in it before most people did. Not that I am smug, I havr often been very wrong or behind on various issues.

the_syco

One difference between alcohol and weed is that you need to be over 18 to buy alcohol.

Another is that I've found more people to be angry drunks than paranoid stoners. Added to this, paranoid stoners don't tend to harm others, or stop smoking because it makes them paranoid. Angry drunks harm others, and don't see drink as the issue.

Peter Denham

Weed gives me crippling panic attacks, even for weeks after. Smoked some when I was younger and thought I was dying, got the foolish notion when I was older that it would be different for some reason and the outcome was the same. Took ages to get back to feeling normal after it, just doesn't agree with me I suppose.

Autochange

Irish Kings wrote: »

There were at least two lads that I grew up with who ended up with very serous mental health issues after smoking a fair bit of weed, and they have never been right since. Still in and out of psychiatric units yet. Having seen the damage done to them and their families first hand, I don't believe it's the innocent relaxant everyone is promoting it to be.

Personal responsibility and moderation.

JJJJNR

mad muffin wrote: »

You might not be at risk of oding but it has its long lasting side effects.

I smoked weed daily from my late teens to early 20’s.

Inhaling smoke is never a good thing. But the main reason I gave it up was because instead of enjoying the high. It was making me paranoid, and giving me anxiety.

It also caused memory issues, which I suffer still to this day. Some 20 years since giving it up. In particular, I now find I’m hunting for words when talking to people.

I can’t say I’d recommend it.

Sorry but you can't put this down to weed, the symptoms you describe sound more like aspergers.

A lot of the issues people have in my opinion is from the way it's smoked, I found out years ago mixing tobacco products and weed made me paranoid, anxious and quiet. Once I stopped mixing it and smoking it on it's own it was A LOT more pleasant. I haven't smoked in a good while a few times a year but don't miss it at all, same with alcohol have the odd beer but given the association with health issues and the hangovers it's not worth it. If I did want to be inebriated though I wouldn't touch alcohol given the choice.

WoolyJumper

I don't smoke it personally (anymore) but I do think it should be legalised, along with all other drugs.

My problem is the idea that is spread around that weed is some kind of miracle drug. That smoking has no consequences and in fact can cure you of all kinds of illnesses. Absolutely CBD has its place in medicine and I'm sure smoking weed will help cancer patients with pain management and appetite but in most cases its not going to cure your cancer.

Smoking weed regularly over long periods of time can't be good for you. I've seen it turn people into fractions of themselves. I've seen people try to give up weed but can't. It is an addictive drug. Weed should be legalised but treated like alcohol. The adverse affects should be made known and there should be a time and place for it. Having the odd joint with a few friends is harmless but not first thing in the morning before you get in the car to go to work, or on your lunch break or every time you are feeling a bit tense etc etc If you are doing that you are are probably an addict and potentially putting other peoples lives in danger.