devnull wrote: » This suggests that either the people who stated such on this thread believethat the same requirements don't apply or are not needed for potential disabled patrons using ta premium airport service, ultimately creating a two tier system within DBs portfolio of services or that there is another reason that they object to the blue livery that is brighter than the dark green one DB saw fit to use for ten years.
KD345 wrote: » To be fair, the Airlink and Aircoach are deliberately two tier, that’s the very reason for their existence. Everything about them is different, from their corporate livery, higher fares, express route and frequency.
You’re absolutely right that there is an obvious contradiction here, how can a company concerned about visibility on their vehicles leave a number of them in dark green. However, you’re not comparing like with like, the commercial arm of Dublin Bus has a different agenda to the rest of the company.
Somewhere along the line they felt a dark green vehicle was the right look for their commercial vehicles to compete against their rivals - for example, you’ll often hear people taking the blue bus or green bus to or from the airport. It is difficult to market something as a superior product when it looks the exact same as a regular service vehicle.
To go back to the point of PSO vehicles, I can understand the concerns of disability groups, and as awful as the new revised Go Ahead looks, I feel it was the right thing to do. It’s a shame we’ve had so much drama about this when the NTA could have prevented it.
Stephen15 wrote: » How the new livery will look from the front, on the single deckers and with the TFI logo applied. I assume this is the final version. Reminds me a bit of the old Airlink livery with the green and yellow combination.
devnull wrote: You do realise that they could have chosen another bright colour? The choice wasn't between the PSO livery and a dark green livery. There are lots of different liveries that they could have used which would still have been distinctive and would have allowed them to stand out, without having to disregard the principles that we are told are present throughout the company as a whole. which it seems actually are not.
Go-Ahead Ireland is delighted to launch their first bus route, the 175, running from UCD to Citywest. This 24 km route, will pick passengers up from 65 stops (from UCD to Citywest), 63 stops (from Citywest to UCD) and will be serviced a fleet of 9 buses and 19 Go-Ahead Ireland drivers.
SG317 wrote: » And regarding the Airlink, that is a different brand to the Dublin Bus essentially like Do Dublin, its run by Dublin Bus but its a commercial service and is separate from the PSO services, so the branding will obviously be different. The Airlink is also a mix of Light and Dark Green, it's not just dark green as you keep claiming.
The vehicles also have yellow handrails, something the initial NTA livery didn't have.
devnull wrote: » But I wasn't talking about two tiers of services being offered across different companies. I was talking about a single company who divides by choice their own services into two tiers in relation to assisting the visually impaired. I have worked in a previous role where we have fulfilled contracts on behalf of the public sector as well as contracts which are purely commercial and the company I worked for had a strong set of values which we applied throughout both types of contracts, because the values were important to us and we would never sacrifice them because we held them so dear. I just am a principled person and believe if values are really important you stick to them all the time. If that we are saying that Dublin Bus considers that taking actions to assist those who have visual impairments is lower of the agenda of the commercial operations rather than the PSO operations, they that would suggest that people believe the values in Dublin Bus as a whole in relation to serving these people are not as high as was claimed a few pages back, since they believe we have a two tier system when it comes to serving these people. You do realise that they could have chosen another bright colour? The choice wasn't between the PSO livery and a dark green livery. There are lots of different liveries that they could have used which would still have been distinctive and would have allowed them to stand out, without having to disregard the principles that we are told are present throughout the company as a whole. which it seems actually are not. So if it is the case then surely Dublin Bus won't have any problems in painting the vehicles the same, If we're told wanting to keep the yellow is simply about helping the visually impaired and disabled? Especially considering the blue on the front of the TFI livery is very visible where the dark DB Blue is not so visible on a night and that is a clear way to help the disabled that we are told by posters on here that they are so passionate (on PSO services anyway) about.
SG317 wrote: » However, Dublin Bus carried out an extensive consultation with all relevant disability groups and created a livery that they were all happy with.
devnull wrote: » It actually looks better on the nearside than it does on the far-side on the double deckers. The TFI logo really stands out now and I'm sure that is the silver lining to the cloud that has been hanging over the NTA offices in relation to this whole ridiculous situation which has happened at the last minute. On the single decker it looks better, wonder if they could have just had more blue on the side of the bus rather than so much yellow and just gone for the yellow at the front, more like the single decker?
Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: » If you set up a bus company tomorrow with only a coach with no wheelchair accessibility, because you're private, nobody can tell you that you have to have wheelchair access. But when it's a public obligation then yes it's a different situation completely. But in airlinks case, they could essentially, if they wanted to, change their whole airlink fleet to ford transits with no wheelchair access, and any colour they wanted.
GM228 wrote: » There will obviously be derogations for existing non compliant operators (and naturally enough non wheelchair taxis), but any existing operator can't get rid of the facility and any new operator will have to be wheelchair compliant.
Stephen15 wrote: » Will this mean any taxi driver which currently drives a wheelchair accesible one won't be allowed switch it for a non wheelchair accesible one?
Stephen15 wrote: » Another thing have noticed in the pictures that bars at the front of the buses are still silver/grey on DB buses these bars are painted navy. Should these bars on Go-Ahead buses not have to be painted a darker colour such as navy or black in order to contrast with the yellow.
GM228 wrote: » Bars? Do you mean the Wrights styled grilles, all the GA buses have had these supplied silver as opposed to the DB buses, it is possible they are chromed and not suitable for repainting as I have noticed some repainted ex DB buses with them colour coordinated.
Stephen15 wrote: » No I'm talking about the handrails at the front of the passenger saloon around the Leap validators and the drivers cab which are painted navy on DB buses.
dublinman1990 wrote: » New timetable layouts for the 175 are appearing in the shelters. Looks really good; but no fare information is available.
devnull wrote: » Have to say having a list of the stops on the route is a step forward and the general layout is really nice and much more slick than anything we've seen before. Are the times from the terminus or for the actual stop? If the later that's a big step forward.
Stephen15 wrote: » To be fair many of the "disability activists" have only popped out of the woodwork since the new livery and bus connects was announced. They are using people with disabilities as a battering ram to object to NTA proposals such as tendering and bus connects. They are only concerned as it suits their agenda. You don't hear much of them when people park up on the pavement.
"the new Dublin-LA direct service has been postponed as the people of the town of Ballykisssmearse have launched a major protest that a Knock like airport was not constructed in their town alongside a built in stopover for the new route - local TD , Publican, lawyer, construction company owner, and secondary school teacher Billy Cumonouttadat said today 'they claim this is an express service, but it's not very express for the people of Ballykissmearse is it? Why was no thought given to Ballykissmearse? I tell you why coz it's nat Dublin dats why dey only care 'bout dem up in Dublin I tell ye so dey do, we need to be included on dis route, there are two peeple in diz area who assure me in the strongest possible terms dat dey would love to pop ovar te Compton for a pint a milk n a paaapar but because Ballykissmeararse is nat included dey're shut out, SHUT OUT I tell ye! it's a disgrace!', the minister has halted the route and embarked on a 6 month review which should be completed by 2065 in time for the 169th reannouncement of Dart Underground and the Dublin Metro"
john boye wrote: » Is there anything to be said for painting the teal stripe yellow too? Even just on one vehicle to see how it looks. Or if you're feeling really adventurous, turn both stripes towards the rear rather than the front and have one white and one yellow?
