L1011 wrote: » It reduces the number of bus drivers required to provide the same level of service. That is the reason the far left union is against it and their political followers have followed Not one driver will be laid off, the plan massively increases the number of buses and drivers required - just less than if they kept the current mess
tom1ie wrote: » Looking at the bus connects maps, the trunk routes a, b,c etc are these the routes that the corridor widening will exclusively occur, ie is it only these routes where there will be unbroken qbc’s all the way to the quays? So routes s1 and s2 won’t have unbroken bus lanes and route a1 won’t have an unbroken qbc until it hits the trunk A route? Am I right in thinking this?
bk wrote: » I'd have to double check, but I believe it goes beyond just the trunk part of the routes, though obviously they would be the priority.
tom1ie wrote: » Yeah I haven’t seen any specifics stating this in the documentation that’s been released so far.
cgcsb wrote: » The routes that'll have continuous QBCs were set out in this document:https://busconnects.ie/media/1225/busconnects-public-consultation-document-web-low-res.pdf This excludes the City Centre sections. Basically all of the trunks are covered and many of the branches are also covered, some orbital sections will also see improvements. I would say the first things to be done are the measures that only require paint on a road, signs etc, for example Prussia St and Old Cabra Rd being bus only, instantly shaving 15-20 mins off the B routes at peak times. Then the read widening will start in ernest, expect roads in the South West of the City to be prioritiesed as they will yield the largest gains in improved journey times.
LXFlyer wrote: » cgcsb wrote: » The routes that'll have continuous QBCs were set out in this document:https://busconnects.ie/media/1225/busconnects-public-consultation-document-web-low-res.pdf This excludes the City Centre sections. Basically all of the trunks are covered and many of the branches are also covered, some orbital sections will also see improvements. I would say the first things to be done are the measures that only require paint on a road, signs etc, for example Prussia St and Old Cabra Rd being bus only, instantly shaving 15-20 mins off the B routes at peak times. Then the read widening will start in ernest, expect roads in the South West of the City to be prioritiesed as they will yield the largest gains in improved journey times. Permanently closing roads to traffic will require approval at local authority level - the NTA have no statutory powers in that area. They can come up with the proposals but local authorities still hold the statutory approval powers. That’s not going to simply require paint - it’s going to require approval from local politicians as indeed will the city centre plans. That’s going to need a lot of political work! I honestly think that this element is going to take far longer than you think, and that is before the CPOs get bogged down in legal action.
LXFlyer wrote: » I think that you’re being over-optimistic there - unbroken bus lanes are impossible along most of the south central corridors. That’s unless you demolish a LOT of buildings! The S2 (there is no S1) is the replacement for the 18 - any form of infrastructure improvement is likely to be minimal given the space constraints.
LXFlyer wrote: » Permanently closing roads to traffic will require approval at local authority level - the NTA have no statutory powers in that area. They can come up with the proposals but local authorities still hold the statutory approval powers. That’s not going to simply require paint - it’s going to require approval from local politicians as indeed will the city centre plans. That’s going to need a lot of political work! I honestly think that this element is going to take far longer than you think, and that is before the CPOs get bogged down in legal action.
cgcsb wrote: » If they bundle the works into large enough packages, the NTA can apply directly to ABP for permission under the strategic infrastructure act. cuts out the middle man.
tom1ie wrote: » there is on the map?
LXFlyer wrote: » You’re making a lot of assumptions there. As it stands, I’ve seen no evidence that is going to happen.
cgcsb wrote: » LXFlyer wrote: » You’re making a lot of assumptions there. As it stands, I’ve seen no evidence that is going to happen. I'm not saying it WILL happen that way, rather I'm saying that's how it SHOULD be managed in my opinion.
cgcsb wrote: » I'm not saying it WILL happen that way, rather I'm saying that's how it SHOULD be managed in my opinion.
LXFlyer wrote: » Which map? The orbital bus routes are numbered S2, S4, S6/S7 and S8?
tom1ie wrote: » So from reading the opinions expressed here, the answer to the question is, we don’t really know at this stage and there’s a hell of a lot to be ironed out in the near future regarding how far the unbroken qbc’s will reach out into the suburbs. Do we know the timescale as to when the first qbc is to start design,or is it a case that all routes have been designed and we will be going to public consultation soon?
Carawaystick wrote: » I'm confused how the NTA on one hand think Swords needs a high capacity Metro and on the other hand thinks a 15-20 min frequency service to Dublin is suitable.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » The bus in the big picture of PT is the lowest of the low. Always was, but it serves so many. The Luas can be slow, but it's reliable. DART is the creme de la creme. It is only when the bus will be as good (or better) than Luas or Dart that people will be on board with this. Pun intended.
Stephen15 wrote: » To be fair in a lot of cities the bus is usually an inferior option to Metro, Rail and Trams but I don't think this is true in all cases. I live near the N11 QBC for example and I would say that the bus service along the corridor is almost on a par with the Luas and the DART. I wouldn't think the DART is the creme de la creme either the frequency on it is too low however ten minute frequencies will improve that and put it on a par with the Luas.
marno21 wrote: » Is it a 15/20 mins frequency on the Swords Road in addition to the many express services through the Port Tunnel?
Carawaystick wrote: » No, the 41x and 33x are to go. the swords express and fingal express are not fully accesible, and so should play no part in any nta planning.
