The government has published a new map outlining in detail 700,000 rural homes and businesses which will be connected to state-subsidised broadband of at least 30 megabits per second (Mbs) from 2016.
Ultimanemo wrote: » If I ask eir to install a landline for me will that cause them headache, If it will I will
KOR101 wrote: » So, still no movement and supposedly just two weeks from signing.She also said that Eir will not voluntarily reduce the price it charges Enet to access infrastructure needed to support the roll-out of the National Broadband Plan. "No, our prices are regulated," she said. "The only prices we’re discussing are those currently set by the regulator. It’s up to Comreg whether they want to look at the price. Those prices are set on the cost of maintaining ducts and poles in rural Ireland, which is expensive."
KOR101 wrote: » So, still no movement and supposedly just two weeks from signing.[/I]
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » Unless the Department have caved and agreed to pay the current regulated price I don't see how this is going to work. If they try legislation to reduce access costs I expect eir to vigorously contest it.
m99T wrote: » The have to do it too. It's in the USO.
listermint wrote: » So if they are putting out articles like thishttps://m.independent.ie/business/technology/news/eir-signals-end-of-copper-landline-in-ireland-with-1bn-fibre-line-plan-37281247.html Does that mean they would replace a copper land line with fibre ? Or is it another slight of hand using urban slightly urban as means to not connect rural. Article seems wishy washy
fritzelly wrote: » EU law stops them taking out existing copper but dont expect to get a copper line where fibre exists.
listermint wrote: » No I'd expect to get a fibre line where copper exits according to the article.
fritzelly wrote: » You can read that multiple ways Replacing doesn't necessarily mean removing just changing to fibre for any future connections (so it should be in a way) Until EU law changes they cannot remove any copper connections Methinks what that might mean is to hell with installing copper you will have to wait til fibre is available and as part of the USO - maybe wrong, I'm sure Navi or Marlow will give their thoughts.
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » The fact that there is no POTS over Fibre (so to speak) product may be a stumbling block. As it currently stands with Openeir I don't believe you can have a phone line over fibre without a broadband connection. I also suspect this is why they are not removing the copper cable.
fritzelly wrote: » No I don't believe they do have a phone only service over fibre (not that I recall reading anywhere anyway) but who in this day and age wants only a phone connection - cheaper to buy a mobile package for €20 a month, don't have mobile coverage then very likely you won't get a copper connection either.The copper removal is still an EU thing they cant do yet. Don't think they could negotiate a country specific law for that or could they? The days of the old phones powered by the phone line are long gone are they not so POTS is kinda redundant in that sense.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » What EU law are you referring to? Does it actually mention copper or POTS or similar?
fritzelly wrote: » Thought I had it bookmarked and trying to Google it is near impossible, maybe one of the other guys has the handy link Cannot remember the wording but it is specifically copper as that is powered by the telcom (even tho everyone has a plugged in phone these days).
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Yeah I found nothing prior to asking Everyone has a plugged in phone? ..... not sure what you mean.
fritzelly wrote: » Plug powered Not this type anymore!
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Johnboy1951 wrote: » My phones (I have three connected) are not powered, and most people I know using landlines at home also do not have powered phones. I do have a DECT set connected for VOIP .... but not to the POTS line.
fritzelly wrote: » Seriously? Didn't think those phones even existed anymore.
fritzelly wrote: » Only if it comes in at €7000 euro or less and is the only option
I. If a request by an end-user for AFL USO requires expenditure by the USP not exceeding €1,000 for the USP to satisfy that request, it shall be a reasonable request, and the USP shall satisfy that request. II. If a request by an end-user for AFL USO requires expenditure by the USP that exceeds €1,000 for the USP to satisfy that request, and there is at the time of the request an Alternative Infrastructure in the geographic location of the end-user that can provide equivalent AFL USO (in terms of affordability, quality and standalone PATS) to that of the USP, the USP shall not be required to satisfy that request. III. The approach at (ii) is subject to an exception: if the designated USP confirms that the Alternative Infrastructure is mobile, but the end-user does not agree that this will not provide an equivalent service to that currently prevailing for AFL USO (including Minimum Indoor Coverage) the designated USP must promptly notify us of this fact, with relevant supporting information. ComReg will then adjudicate on whether the request is reasonable or not. IV. If a request by an end-user for AFL USO requires expenditure by the USP that exceeds €1,000 but that does not exceed €7,000 for the USP to satisfy and, there is at the time of the request no Alternative Infrastructure in the geographic location of the end-user that can provide equivalent AFL USO to that of the USP (in terms of affordability, quality and standalone PATS), it shall be a reasonable request, and the USP shall satisfy that request. If the expenditure required by the designated USP exceeds €7,000 and the end-user agrees to pay the amount in excess of €7,000, then the USP shall satisfy that request. Comreg 16/65
Johnboy1951 wrote: » What law are you referring to please?
Our consent will be required if Eircom is to be allowed to phase out its copper network. Eircom has an obligation in several regulated markets not withdraw access to services and facilities already granted (as well as obligations as part of its current USO designation). In the context of SMP obligations (in particular ComReg documents 08/104 and 10/39) a notice period of five years was proposed in the context of exchanges which had been unbundled. We note that there are likely to be few, if any, unbundled exchanges in the NBP intervention area and accordingly, many of the considerations set out this document may need to be revisited in an NBP.
ComReg has not up to now mandated a specific timeframe for the prior notification of any intended withdrawal of access to Eir’s copper access network. However, we signalled that a notice period of 5 years may be reasonable in the context of Eir exchanges which had been unbundled, but acknowledged that there may be circumstances within which a shorter timeframe may be appropriate. ComReg has not previously provided guidance regarding withdrawal of facilities in respect of exchange areas where Other Authorised Operators (OAOs) have not unbundled and/or where OAOs are unlikely to do so.
Eircom currently provides AFL USO using four different technologies: copper path, shared copper path, Rurtel and Fixed Cellular Service (“FCS”). FCS is the only technology used by Eircom to provide AFL which is not capable of FIA, at a minimum speed of 28.8kb/s.
The Cush wrote: » This from Comreg back in 2015 Comreg's Access at a Fixed Location (AFL) USO was renewed for a further 5 years back in 2016 A Comreg consultation on the withdrawal of Copper based Regulated Services was part of their 2017/18 workplan but didn't happen, it hasn't been included in their most recent 2018/19 workplan, likely waiting for the NBP to be progressed.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » So no direct EU Law, just the Comreg regulation of the USO is applicable?
