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Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Probably time to open a new thread for the 2018 season?

Silly season is still in full swing as we all know with Williams and Sauber not having confirmed their line ups as yet.

What are people's opinions on the Halo and Alfa Romeo for 2018?

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g1983d

Harika wrote: »

Hilarious how RedBull suddenly went into a lack of driver, where two years ago they didn't know where to put them.
Sainz moved to Renault and for some weird reason didn't go to RB. I think someone said that with Verstappen it will be hard to fill the second cockpit.
Latter might have been a reason why Ricciardo left, next to paycheck and Honda.
Gasly could have needed another season at TR and next to Verstappen is in danger of being burned out.
Kyvat was demolished and for his own sake shouldn't go back there.

So Buemi might be in the mix, who has a championship contender car in FE and LMP. Sounds like a deal like Hartley for me.

I think RB were lucky they had verstappen locked in before they announced honda deal.
He was none too please about it

ayux4rj6zql2ph

vectra wrote: »

Or Not

Sebastian Vettel does not want Ferrari F1 team orders on Raikkonen

Kimi might refuse to obey them for the remaining races, he’s got nothing to lose. His friendship with Vettel is probably a professional one anyway

Frank Bullitt

Love the colours.

vectra

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

Vettel giving out again.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2514/vettel-slams-ferrari-and-raikkonen-i-have-to-race-three-cars/

Or Not

Sebastian Vettel does not want Ferrari F1 team orders on Raikkonen

chicorytip

rock22 wrote:

Contrast this with Mercedes being happy to compromise Bottas's race to aid Hamilton.

rock22 wrote:

With everything in their favour, Ferrari threw away the chance of victory at Monza. And almost certainly the drivers championship.

rock22 wrote:

Or am I reading this all wrong

Bottas was completely out of sorts all weekend.
You can't attribute blame to strategy when driver error was the cause :
1) The poor final lap in Q3 - it didn't matter which driver went first.
2) The inability to make the pass on Kimi before the first corner.
3) The collision with Hamilton.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

According to Sky Italia sources Kimi was told last weekend he has lost his seat.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-close-to-2019-driver-announcement-reports/

chicorytip

vectra wrote:

And as a matter of interest How many times did Kimi have to hand the win to Vettel to increase his points? How many DNF's did Vettel have this season?

vectra wrote:

Who is quite obviously the number one driver that gets preference.

Well, I've given my opinions and stand over them. I hope Kimi gets to depart F1 in a dignified manner and without bitterness. He has had a long and successful career.

Joeface

Is the Toro Rosso 2019 seat actually a fairly attractive seat all things consider .

The Honda engine is OK now close enough to the renault and will improve. Toro Rosso can produce better car certainly than Mclaren or Williams can turn out for next year and take into account with next year engines +Suspension + rear of car will all be off the Redbull package directly .
Not a much pressure as your in the "feeder" team .and if Hartley is gone as well , its basicly a clean slate with a half decent car

The Car ran well at Spa , was running well in Monza during qualifing and may have gone ok in the race if Alonso had not damaged the car . so clear signs of improvement .

ELM327

muckwarrior wrote: »

Would prefer to see JEV in the seat ahead of either of those 2.

JEV has already said no.

Buemi was nothing remarkable in F1 but he's taken FE by storm, wonder if he'd do better this time in F1

Harika

Hilarious how RedBull suddenly went into a lack of driver, where two years ago they didn't know where to put them.
Sainz moved to Renault and for some weird reason didn't go to RB. I think someone said that with Verstappen it will be hard to fill the second cockpit.
Latter might have been a reason why Ricciardo left, next to paycheck and Honda.
Gasly could have needed another season at TR and next to Verstappen is in danger of being burned out.
Kyvat was demolished and for his own sake shouldn't go back there.

So Buemi might be in the mix, who has a championship contender car in FE and LMP. Sounds like a deal like Hartley for me.

muckwarrior

Would prefer to see JEV in the seat ahead of either of those 2.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Hmmmm

https://twitter.com/ToroRosso/status/1037359418940305408?s=19

Buemi & Kvyat?

Burkie1203

Hmmmm

https://twitter.com/ToroRosso/status/1037359418940305408?s=19

Adamocovic

OSI wrote: »

"Well, any smart person looking at all the irrefutable evidence from the very limited and conflicted exposure can guarantee my opinion is correct and everything you associate with is wrong and disgusting. Also your Mum's boyfriends dog is gay." - The internet when discussing anything.

:pac:

Sorry, currently in Italy and had the rant pent up in me about Vettel/Hamilton!

Seemed to have heightened last weekend. Reminds me of the Nadal/Federer fans during their years of dominance.

Adamocovic

I know this may not reflect the opinions of most here but the bitterness and childishness between Vettel and Hamilton fans is gas at times.

Two of the best drivers to take to the track, both fighters and proven winners. Lucky we get to see them go at it, but unfortunate that Merc and Ferrari have such a domination on the championship.

Also on Vettel, people use the bottler tag on him, and yes he has made some mistakes that may cost him but they have mainly stemmed from him trying to make something happen. May not be the safe choices, or even the smartest tactically but it's good to still see a driver who attempts to make these moves. Who was it that said when you turn down an overtake chance you've stopped being a racer. Paraphrased of course.

And on Lewis, I'm self confessed not a fan of him, but completely respect him as a driver, was pretty much the same for Seb during his Red Bull days. People can complain about him, and his style but there is no debating he is one of the greatest drivers the sport has seen.

As with any sport you see these bitter rivalries break out, and no doubt when both men have retired people will look back at them both with high praise rather than the belittling of achievements that go on now. Really hope Vettel can close the gap and we are treated to a grand slam finish.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Vettel giving out again.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2514/vettel-slams-ferrari-and-raikkonen-i-have-to-race-three-cars/

El_Duderino 09

flexcon wrote: »

Yeah his experience should have shown through you would have thought.

I remember on channel 4 broadcast, Karun Chandhok who I do have respect for as a technical commentator, said Kimi had a great history of Tyre management and typically went longer than anyone else. i do remember back in the Lotus days in 2012,and 2013 where he was incredible on making those tyres last although, I believe the car that year was generally good on it's tyres anyway.

Delicate balance between Ferrari telling you to push on push on. I suppose lastly, he wasn't pushing hard when he came out of the pits initially, so he did show his general style of slowing ramping the tyres up. He just got the push on from ferrari to override that urge and go for it.

Kimi has a great reputation of tyre management but he wasn’t told to manage the tyres. He was told to push to maintain track position and try to keep Hamilton behind. Hamilton had 8 lap fresher tyres and didn’t have to push because when Kimi kept the lead he had to back off. Kimi couldn’t keep him behind in the last few laps.

I do t think it’s fair to judge his tyre management on the monza race because he specifically wasn’t managing his tyres.

flexcon

chicorytip wrote: »

He's around long enough to realise that and has the relevant information displayed on the dash in front of him. As far as I know he did not express any concerns over the radio. He was clearly fired up for the race and was going all out for victory but it was not failing tyres that ultimately cost him victory but rather his own lack of staying power.

Yeah his experience should have shown through you would have thought.

I remember on channel 4 broadcast, Karun Chandhok who I do have respect for as a technical commentator, said Kimi had a great history of Tyre management and typically went longer than anyone else. i do remember back in the Lotus days in 2012,and 2013 where he was incredible on making those tyres last although, I believe the car that year was generally good on it's tyres anyway.

Delicate balance between Ferrari telling you to push on push on. I suppose lastly, he wasn't pushing hard when he came out of the pits initially, so he did show his general style of slowing ramping the tyres up. He just got the push on from ferrari to override that urge and go for it.

rock22

chicorytip wrote: »

Your comments only serve to bolster my argument. It was Kimi who lacked the pace and failed to extract the maximum performance from his car. The Mercs were racing flat out. If Vettel had ended up leading after the first lap he would have won by half a mile.

Interesting. Are Ferrari not focussed on the championship? Vettel is their only realistic chance of winning the drivers championship. Yet it appears they went along with an arrangement to give Kimi the benefit of the tow in qualification.
Kimi starts on Pole, blocks Vettel at the first turn, next backs him up into Hamilton and then Vettel touches Hamilton ( admittedly more Vittel's fault than Hamilton's). But , as you say, If Vettel had been leaving after the first lap he would have won the race.

Contrast this with Mercedes being happy to compromise Bottas's race to aid Hamilton.

With everything in their favour, Ferrari threw away the chance of victory at Monza. And almost certainly the drivers championship.

Or am I reading this all wrong

vectra

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I agree

Great to see you're a Kimi fan.

Always

pjohnson

Hasn't Kimi also made the podium for every race he finished this year bar 1 2 (forgot he got 4th only in Monaco)?

g1983d

I don't get the argument that Kimi has a lack of staying power, if the car/tyres were able for it Kimi would've done it.
I think saying Kimi is not able for it because of age is like when everyone was say Eddie Irvine's party lifestyle was making him unfit, the same year he did the drivers fitness test and was the fittest of the lot.

Have people forgotten quali the day before where had the fastest F1 lap of all time?
I know he had the benefit of a tow but he still had to do it

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I agree

Great to see you're a Lewis fan.

Boo boo boooo

Jordan 199

vectra wrote: »

I dearly would love to see Lewis taking the wdc number 5 before Seb.

I agree

Great to see you're a Lewis fan.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

vectra wrote: »

Don't forget spa 2018 where again the team let him down.

I'd love to know where he would have qualified.

vectra

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

The 2 main races that Kimi could have won were Monaco 2017 & Italy 2018, both victories taken away from him by Ferrari strategy.

Monaco to give the win to Vettel & Monza they were dummied.

Don't forget spa 2018 where again the team let him down.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

The 2 main races that Kimi could have won were Monaco 2017 & Italy 2018, both victories taken away from him by Ferrari strategy.

Monaco to give the win to Vettel & Monza they were dummied.

Inviere

chicorytip wrote: »

Yes, by a few points, but the most telling figures are sixty two (the number of points he trails Vettel by) and zero (the number of races he has won over the past five seasons).

I'd have to agree with Vectra here (again!), it's hard to win races when you're #2. Ask Bottas! Kimi has had issues in Quali of late (up until Monza anyway)...that he seems to have ironed out. The guy has the speed and consistency. His points aren't indicative of the whole picture

vectra

chicorytip wrote: »

Yes, by a few points, but the most telling figures are sixty two (the number of points he trails Vettel by) and zero (the number of races he has won over the past five seasons).

And as a matter of interest
How many times did Kimi have to hand the win to Vettel to increase his points?
How many DNF's did Vettel have this season?

Who is quite obviously the number one driver that gets preference.

chicorytip

vectra wrote:

Kimi is ahead of Bottas in the standings Kimi has had 3 retirements this season to Bottas 1 Yet he is still ahead.

Yes, by a few points, but the most telling figures are sixty two (the number of points he trails Vettel by) and zero (the number of races he has won over the past five seasons).