Should Dublin ban Burqas and Hijabs?

dennispenn wrote: »

Then don't argue it. Because I certainty didn't.

You raised it. :rolleyes:

[Deleted User] wrote: »

British isn't a race. It's a nationality. Unless you want to talk about race related to ethnicity, in which case its a rather mixed "race" considering the Saxons, Normans, Celts, french, etc. And in more modern times, Indian, Chinese, and many other Asians along with Africans.

So.. as for creating labels... that seems to be something of a fad these days. But Asian British is no less odd than Irish American, or African American... The link of ethnicity with a nationality is rather common across the world.

Imperial powers did have a large amount of immigration from their colonies. But the simple fact is that immigration, and "cross-breeding" of races has been going on for a very long time. The idea that any race is completely pure is the stuff of fantasy with the exception of a few races in very remote areas, and even then, I wouldn't be so sure of it.

It's a silly argument.

Then don't argue it. Because I certainty didn't.

dennispenn wrote: »

And despite what some liberal idiot put into Wikipedia, there is no such race as Asian British or Irish British. But you folk will keep insisting creating these stupid labels.

British isn't a race. It's a nationality. Unless you want to talk about race related to ethnicity, in which case its a rather mixed "race" considering the Saxons, Normans, Celts, french, etc. And in more modern times, Indian, Chinese, and many other Asians along with Africans.

So.. as for creating labels... that seems to be something of a fad these days. But Asian British is no less odd than Irish American, or African American... The link of ethnicity with a nationality is rather common across the world.

Imperial powers did have a large amount of immigration from their colonies. But the simple fact is that immigration, and "cross-breeding" of races has been going on for a very long time. The idea that any race is completely pure is the stuff of fantasy with the exception of a few races in very remote areas, and even then, I wouldn't be so sure of it.

It's a silly argument.

bubblypop wrote: »

So you think that British people & Irish people are the same? Culturally?
Maybe we should just join back up with British & make a proper United Kingdom

By the looks of things if you are white you re grand.

dennispenn wrote: »

Why doesn't that surprise me?

I think it is your goodself that have the issues.

The two cultures are intertwined so much and closely related through heritage and a shared language that it is only a complete arsehole that would try and break the relationship down further and describe themselves as British Irish.

So you think that British people & Irish people are the same? Culturally?
Maybe we should just join back up with British & make a proper United Kingdom

bubblypop wrote: »

I would consider myself Irish British.
Do you have an issue with that?

Why doesn't that surprise me?

I think it is your goodself that have the issues.

The two cultures are intertwined so much and closely related through heritage and a shared language that it is only a complete arsehole that would try and break the relationship down further and describe themselves as British Irish.

tomofson

jaxxx wrote: »

Worldwide. Way past time we grew a pair and refused to accept archaic customs into our countries. Religious garment or not, as far as I'm concerned it has always been and always will be a sign of oppression against women. Keep it out of the Western world where women aren't treated as objects.

How dare they show modesty and not walk around half naked, free women dress like skanks dont we all know.

dennispenn wrote: »

No insinuating there. Just clear evidence that the white man is being replaced in his own country.

Can you imagine this happening in Japan? Or Israel? Nah,neither can I.

And despite what some liberal idiot put into Wikipedia, there is no such race as Asian British or Irish British. But you folk will keep insisting creating these stupid labels.

I would consider myself Irish British.
Do you have an issue with that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls076733666/

https://www.desiblitz.com/content/5-british-asian-artists-watch-2016

dennispenn wrote: »

Nah,I've just highlighted how idiotic the label Asian British is. It sound's incredibly stupid to begin with. I have never ever heard any describe themselves like that. It's a made up label that won't catch on.

Timberrrrrrrr

dennispenn wrote: »

Then why are you calling them African Americans like you cannot see a black American for exactly that, black American?

Its the term they themselves prefer, me personally? I dont see coulour i just see other people.

Dannyriver wrote: »

You ve seriously diminished your worth in this debate with that post, it's really bad in fairness.

Nah,I've just highlighted how idiotic the label Asian British is. It sound's incredibly stupid to begin with. I have never ever heard any describe themselves like that. It's a made up label that won't catch on.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

There are "African Americans" who have never left their state in the US, never mind been to Africa.

Then why are you calling them African Americans like you cannot see a black American for exactly that, black American?

Odhinn wrote: »

Hilarious.

Here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian

In your post you stated

The clear insinuation is that "white British" is the only category that is the "correct" one. Why?

No insinuating there. Just clear evidence that the white man is being replaced in his own country.

Can you imagine this happening in Japan? Or Israel? Nah,neither can I.

And despite what some liberal idiot put into Wikipedia, there is no such race as Asian British or Irish British. But you folk will keep insisting creating these stupid labels.

Dravokivich

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Surely it is for the person wearing it to decide that?

The hijab is something a woman can decide on. The Burka is not.

Danzy wrote: »

The Middle East and North Africa are the home of Imperialism. It was a very old story there when Rome was vying for control of Italy with the Etruscans.

Nearly as old would be around the far east, there Imperialism is so deep seated a part of culture that a thousand years of effort would not change it.

The European Imperial project while on a large scale was very short lived historically.

Imperialism will still be rooted in the Middle East and Far East Asia when Europe is long gone.

Fine ..but my point still stands.

Danzy

Dannyriver wrote: »

Every imperialist nation be it France , Spain, UK, US will always have members of the colonised countries living with them, it's part of the deal always has been.

The Middle East and North Africa are the home of Imperialism. It was a very old story there when Rome was vying for control of Italy with the Etruscans.

Nearly as old would be around the far east, there Imperialism is so deep seated a part of culture that a thousand years of effort would not change it.

The European Imperial project while on a large scale was very short lived historically.

Imperialism will still be rooted in the Middle East and Far East Asia when Europe is long gone.

Timberrrrrrrr

yrreg0850 wrote: »

I have no problem with muslm women covering their hair or wearing long black clothing.

I do object to they being able to cover their faces totally with only their eyes visable. While it may be the culture in some countries , it is not here.
If an Irish female entered a bank like that she would be promptly arrested.

In some muslim countries if you display a christian symbol you can be imprisoned.

Yeah, you're going to have to post evidence for this wild claim.

yrreg0850

Skinhead Kane wrote: »

Greetings guys and girls,

I have been thinking about this topic for quite some time now and have yet to make a real judgement on what truly would be a correct answer. If were to go to a country populated by the Muslim community we would be asked to cover up and follow their religious procedure.

Therefore in Britain and Ireland I believe we are within our rights to ban something that isolates woman and was made by men to oppress them. If I were to show my hair/head in their countries, I would be seen as obscene.

Recently came back from a trip and had some female friends been told by locals to cover their arms and legs as well as hair before entering out of the city centre areas. It was a very aggressive approach to and almost demanded 'or we leave the country' type of attitude. Now not using this as a reason or motive to make this topic, but it has however got me thinking.

If I could vote on it, I would ban burqas and possibly hijab.

What's your take on this guys?

Regards,

Sk

I have no problem with muslm women covering their hair or wearing long black clothing.

I do object to they being able to cover their faces totally with only their eyes visable. While it may be the culture in some countries , it is not here.
If an Irish female entered a bank like that she would be promptly arrested.

In some muslim countries if you display a christian symbol you can be imprisoned.

Deleted User wrote: »

The idea of a "white" Britain died in the 80s except for the far right wingers. Britain hasn't been a white nation for decades. The issue is not with ethnicity since in most cases they have learned the native language, have been educated under the British system, and are integrated to certain degrees. You can can find those who have resisted integration, and they're just icing on top of the failure that is multiculturalism.

Still, the issues of failed multiculturalism are far more easily solved since, for the most part, religion is not the cause of those divisions.

It's not going to happen because people believe it won't happen. They resist the idea that we can enforce limitations on immigrants regarding their presence within our borders (we already have limitations in place... we just need more effective ones). And we can. That we haven't so far is not a definitive reason to prevent it for the future.

Europe (and it's members) is changing. Western society has changed dramatically in the last two decades, and is likely to change even more within the next decade. The idea that restrictions can't be placed on immigrants or even on Muslims, is denying the simple fact that we are not held in stasis. Attitudes change. Perceptions change. The increase in marches/riots is a good example of that.

TBF.... you have nothing to base this part on, since Europe is the first real case of Islamic immigration with these kind of numbers, and nowhere has been taken over by Islamic population growth. Not yet anyway. The last part about white women is pure gibberish.

Every imperialist nation be it France , Spain, UK, US will always have members of the colonised countries living with them, it's part of the deal always has been.

dennispenn wrote: »

I've no idea.

What is an Asian British? no such thing is there?:D

Dude,where are you from?

I'm actually Asian British mate.

Oh great, how's Delhi these time's, I hear the tea is the best there.

No idea bro,I've never Left Bradford.

You ve seriously diminished your worth in this debate with that post, it's really bad in fairness.

Timberrrrrrrr

dennispenn wrote: »

I've no idea.

What is an Asian British? no such thing is there?:D

Dude,where are you from?

I'm actually Asian British mate.

Oh great, how's Delhi these time's, I hear the tea is the best there.

No idea bro,I've never Left Bradford.

There are "African Americans" who have never left their state in the US, never mind been to Africa.

Odhinn

dennispenn wrote: »

I've no idea.

What is an Asian British? no such thing is there?:D

Hilarious.

Here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian

In your post you stated

There's a Town in the UK,savile in Yorkshire. The population is something around 4,000 or a little over it according to the 2011 census. Out of that census only 48 people identified as White British
The trend is replicated in a lot of other cities where in 10 years in some cases like Luton,white British has dropped by 20℅. Small Heath in Birmingham,another area where the Muslim immigrants,desite living there for decades do not speak English.

The clear insinuation is that "white British" is the only category that is the "correct" one. Why?

Odhinn wrote: »

So you can't be black/asian British?

I've no idea.

What is an Asian British?

no such thing is there?:D

Dude,where are you from?

I'm actually Asian British mate.

Oh great, how's Delhi these time's, I hear the tea is the best there.

No idea bro,I've never Left Bradford.

Odhinn

dennispenn wrote: »

There's a Town in the UK,savile in Yorkshire. The population is something around 4,000 or a little over it according to the 2011 census. Out of that census only 48 people identified as White British
The trend is replicated in a lot of other cities where in 10 years in some cases like Luton,white British has dropped by 20℅. Small Heath in Birmingham,another area where the Muslim immigrants,desite living there for decades do not speak English.

You cannot change the way of thinking of the Muslim immigrant when They hole themselves up in ghettos where they have no need to learn native ways and traditions. It's never gonna happen. And nowhere in the world have Muslims spread to and not outbred the natives,its what they do,while the modern day white woman concerns herself about love island,casual sex,selfies and her career.

So you can't be black/asian British?

dennispenn wrote: »

There's a Town in the UK,savile in Yorkshire. The population is something around 4,000 or a little over it according to the 2011 census. Out of that census only 48 people identified as White British
The trend is replicated in a lot of other cities where in 10 years in some cases like Luton,white British has dropped by 20℅. Small Heath in Birmingham,another area where the Muslim immigrants,desite living there for decades do not speak English.

The idea of a "white" Britain died in the 80s except for the far right wingers. Britain hasn't been a white nation for decades. The issue is not with ethnicity since in most cases they have learned the native language, have been educated under the British system, and are integrated to certain degrees. You can can find those who have resisted integration, and they're just icing on top of the failure that is multiculturalism.

Still, the issues of failed multiculturalism are far more easily solved since, for the most part, religion is not the cause of those divisions.

You cannot change the way of thinking of the Muslim immigrant when They hole themselves up in ghettos where they have no need to learn native ways and traditions. It's never gonna happen.

It's not going to happen because people believe it won't happen. They resist the idea that we can enforce limitations on immigrants regarding their presence within our borders (we already have limitations in place... we just need more effective ones). And we can. That we haven't so far is not a definitive reason to prevent it for the future.

Europe (and it's members) is changing. Western society has changed dramatically in the last two decades, and is likely to change even more within the next decade. The idea that restrictions can't be placed on immigrants or even on Muslims, is denying the simple fact that we are not held in stasis. Attitudes change. Perceptions change. The increase in marches/riots is a good example of that.

And nowhere in the world have Muslims spread to and not outbred the natives,its what they do,while the modern day white woman concerns herself about love island,casual sex,selfies and her career.

TBF.... you have nothing to base this part on, since Europe is the first real case of Islamic immigration with these kind of numbers, and nowhere has been taken over by Islamic population growth. Not yet anyway. The last part about white women is pure gibberish.

One eyed Jack

dennispenn wrote: »

There's a Town in the UK,savile in Yorkshire. The population is something around 4,000 or a little over it according to the 2011 census. Out of that census only 48 people identified as White British
The trend is replicated in a lot of other cities where in 10 years in some cases like Luton,white British has dropped by 20℅. Small Heath in Birmingham,another area where the Muslim immigrants,desite living there for decades do not speak English.

You cannot change the way of thinking of the Muslim immigrant when They hole themselves up in ghettos where they have no need to learn native ways and traditions. It's never gonna happen. And nowhere in the world have Muslims spread to and not outbred the natives,its what they do,while the modern day white woman concerns herself about love island,casual sex,selfies and her career.

That was one hell of a curve ball, especially after lamenting the idea that Muslims have no need to learn “native ways and traditions” :pac:

fxotoole wrote: »

Says a lot about the kind of mindset we’re dealing with here folks. No sense of nuance or higher level thinking.

Great argument there Chief. I think you might just have converted me there.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The problem isn't with Islam. Islamic followers have lived in Europe for centuries without causing problems.

The problem is the reality that We are not talking about Islam coexisting within Europe, with Western culture remaining the primary culture. The changes in France and Spain with regards to communities being taken over by Islamic habits/behaviors have destroyed that idea (although it seems plenty of people want to pretend its not happening).

The issue is with those Muslims who believe, first that their culture is superior to Western culture (within the boundaries of Europe), and second, the belief that they are entitled to install/promote Islamic traditional behavior within Europe. That's the main problem here.

If we can remove the beliefs contained with the above paragraph, then Islam will be perfectly capable to being compatible with the western world. As a subculture. A sub religion. With no real power/influence.

There's a Town in the UK,savile in Yorkshire. The population is something around 4,000 or a little over it according to the 2011 census. Out of that census only 48 people identified as White British
The trend is replicated in a lot of other cities where in 10 years in some cases like Luton,white British has dropped by 20℅. Small Heath in Birmingham,another area where the Muslim immigrants,desite living there for decades do not speak English.

You cannot change the way of thinking of the Muslim immigrant when They hole themselves up in ghettos where they have no need to learn native ways and traditions. It's never gonna happen. And nowhere in the world have Muslims spread to and not outbred the natives,its what they do,while the modern day white woman concerns herself about love island,casual sex,selfies and her career.