Should Dublin ban Burqas and Hijabs?

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Has it ever actually happened that you’ve been in a place where you were expected to remove your helmet and there was a woman there wearing a niqab?

It’s as though you almost wish it would happen so you could point out you’re being discriminated against.

I've asked the question. Would you interact with the rest of the population day to day through a helmet. Answer please. pussy footing around all the time. Integration my bollix. Look me square in the face when I converse with anyone otherwise piss off. And don't make me laugh your inviting discrimination carrying on like that. Maybe I'm one of those new music producers like marshmallow. Then maybe I'd get away with it

Hitman3000

RustyNut wrote:

The local custom that says people can wear what they like?

Wearing a hijab or nijab are not local custom to western countries. You miss the banning of these in several EU countries?

K.Flyer

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Has it ever actually happened that you’ve been in a place where you were expected to remove your helmet and there was a woman there wearing a niqab?

It’s as though you almost wish it would happen so you could point out you’re being discriminated against.

Did you actually read what I wrote?

K.Flyer wrote: »

Its not my job to "say it to her" but if I was on a motorcycle and was told to remove my hemet, as I have been told to do many a time, and there was someone else in the same part of the building wearing a full facial covering, such as a Niqab or a Bhurka, I would have no problem pointing it out and claim that I was being discriminated against.

Has it ever actually happened that you’ve been in a place where you were expected to remove your helmet and there was a woman there wearing a niqab?

It’s as though you almost wish it would happen so you could point out you’re being discriminated against.

deco nate wrote: »

Point out to me were I said it was illegal? Keep up muppet, I said points of sales were they are not accepted.
Keep back tracking

Here you go sir.

deco nate wrote: »

If a person cannot wear a motorbike helmet in a place for security reasons.
Then no one else should be allowed to float that law either.
Plain and simple.

K.Flyer

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Next time you see a woman in a bank wearing a niqab you should say it to her :rolleyes:

Its not my job to "say it to her" but if I was on a motorcycle and was told to remove my hemet, as I have been told to do many a time, and there was someone else in the same part of the building wearing a full facial covering, such as a Niqab or a Bhurka, I would have no problem pointing it out and claim that I was being discriminated against.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

My point was that he is just as likely to see a woman wearing a niqab in a bank as he is to see a person wearing a helmet - highly unlikely.

Errm, You won't see motorcyclists wearing helmets in banks or public buildings etc because there are signs up saying helmets must be removed before entry :rolleyes:. It was a policy first introduced by banks in around the early to mid 90s

sabat

I assume the reasoning behind them was originally to do with living in a climate with 45c heat every day of the year rather than oppression of women per se, and that like the rules regarding pork etc, what was just practical advice became intertwined with dogma. I know a Saudi woman in her late 20s who literally never takes it (hijab here, niqab over there) off outside her bedroom and suffers from alopecia as a result.
As for it deterring male attention, as any straight man who's been to the middle east will tell you, you just start imagining what they look like underneath, admiring the shape of their arses etc.

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

No he shouldn't say it. Bank staff should

My point was that he is just as likely to see a woman wearing a niqab in a bank as he is to see a person wearing a helmet - highly unlikely.

Hitman3000 wrote: »

RustyNut wrote:

But not illegal, no law?

Whatabout respecting local custom. As the saying goes when in Rome... Simple solution if you don't like the ideals or behaviours of a society probably best not to move there.

The local custom that says people can wear what they like?

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Next time you see a woman in a bank wearing a niqab you should say it to her :rolleyes:

No he shouldn't say it. Bank staff should

timthumbni wrote: »

I admit that women in western society still face adversity in certain aspects. However in comparison to Islamic countries you are really taking the piss.

I’m genuinely not though.

The point is that they are two different societies, each function in very different ways, and in just the same way as there are circumstances where women in the West imagine they are second class citizens and there are men who imagine that they too, are second class citizens. Muslim societies really aren’t actually all that different - some women regard themselves as second class citizens, some men do too, but for the vast majority of people people living in either society it’s their way of life and it’s the way their society functions, and they’re generally content to live in their respective societies.

Atlantic Dawn

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

As well as that who the fook interacts with the rest of humanity through a helmet.you want integration piss poor way about it

Exactly, I won't ring Joseph Duffy esquire when I'm arrested drinking a tray of cans outside Burj Khalifa of an evening.

RustyNut wrote: »

I'm sure you'd like people to stop pointing out when you're wrong ok.

Point out to me were I said it was illegal? Keep up muppet, I said points of sales were they are not accepted.
Keep back tracking

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[Deleted User]

If you ban hijabs, then the next step is banning hoodies.

As a regular hoodie wearer, I say no.

We are (trying to become) a liberal nation. We need to get out of this habit of banning stuff we dont like. Don't like abortions? Don't have one. Don't like Burqas? Don't wear one. Don't like booze being sold after 10pm? Don't buy any.

Hitman3000

RustyNut wrote:

But not illegal, no law?

Whatabout respecting local custom. As the saying goes when in Rome... Simple solution if you don't like the ideals or behaviours of a society probably best not to move there.

deco nate wrote: »

RustyNut wrote: »

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

I'd like you stop posting ****e, how about that. Not illegal, but it would be nice to stop with your crap.

I'm sure you'd like people to stop pointing out when you're wrong ok.

RustyNut wrote: »

But not illegal, no law?

You are the one to start bs.
An I will say fcuk off with your posts. You keep on with this **** when it has been pointed out to you.

timthumbni

One eyed Jack wrote: »

timthumbni wrote: »

Women in Muslim society are very much second class citizens within their own type. That’s not even a debate. It’s Amazing how many excuses people make.

Of course it’s debatable as you’re using Western standards to comment on standards in Muslim societies. You’re basically comparing apples and oranges. If you’re going to attempt to make that comparison then by the same standards, women in Western society are also just as much ‘second class citizens within their own type’.

I admit that women in western society still face adversity in certain aspects. However in comparison to Islamic countries you are really taking the piss.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Most fuel stations have it as a condition of sale, if someone arrives clad in the same gear where facial ID is impossible they should also be refused sale on security grounds. Personally I would not conduct business with any company allowing unknown identifiables to conduct sales.

As well as that who the fook interacts with the rest of humanity through a helmet.you want integration piss poor way about it

RustyNut wrote: »

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

I'd like you stop posting ****e, how about that. Not illegal, but it would be nice to stop with your crap.

K.Flyer wrote: »

All public buildings and banks etc will have a sign telling motorcyclists to remove their helmet before entering the building.
Its for security reasons.
Why should anyone else be allowed cover their face beyond recognition entering the same buildings?

Next time you see a woman in a bank wearing a niqab you should say it to her :rolleyes:

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Of course it’s debatable as you’re using Western standards to comment on standards in Muslim societies. You’re basically comparing apples and oranges. If you’re going to attempt to make that comparison then by the same standards, women in Western society are also just as much ‘second class citizens within their own type’.

How so

But not illegal, no law?

Atlantic Dawn

RustyNut wrote: »

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

Most fuel stations have it as a condition of sale, if someone arrives clad in the same gear where facial ID is impossible they should also be refused sale on security grounds. Personally I would not conduct business with any company allowing unknown identifiables to conduct sales.

K.Flyer

RustyNut wrote: »

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

All public buildings and banks etc will have a sign telling motorcyclists to remove their helmet before entering the building.
Its for security reasons.
Why should anyone else be allowed cover their face beyond recognition entering the same buildings?

RustyNut wrote: »

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

Be a dick all you want. Never said illegal.
Petrol stations, banks,
And most reception areas will have notes in the windows saying such.

Your sad post is bull****. Try harder next time.

Gob****e post

deco nate wrote: »

If a person cannot wear a motorbike helmet in a place for security reasons.
Then no one else should be allowed to float that law either.
Plain and simple.

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

timthumbni wrote: »

Women in Muslim society are very much second class citizens within their own type. That’s not even a debate. It’s Amazing how many excuses people make.

Of course it’s debatable as you’re using Western standards to comment on standards in Muslim societies. You’re basically comparing apples and oranges. If you’re going to attempt to make that comparison then by the same standards, women in Western society are also just as much ‘second class citizens within their own type’.