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Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

Stephen15

So since the last thread on this got closed and dosen't appear to be reopening any time soon. Heres a new one for you.

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Dravokivich

Bray Head wrote: »

Can someone point me to anything in the public domain on how many stages are between stops on the 175 route?

Just like with Dublin bus, there's nothing available to assess the stage locations.

KD345

Dravokivich wrote: »

Just like with Dublin bus, there's nothing available to assess the stage locations.

Dublin Bus stages are listed on every timetable and on the fare calculator section of the Dublin Bus app.

Stephen15

Tarabuses wrote: »

Isn't it confusing to have stops then on Sydenham Road with no indication that they are not in use?

Have they put in stops on Sydenham Road?

AlekSmart

Bray Head wrote: »

Can someone point me to anything in the public domain on how many stages are between stops on the 175 route?

Here ye go,Just select the Route Number,then direction of travel,then from the drop down menus you Can cross reference each stage with a specific stop....incredible really,even if it took 20 years from the removal of Stop specific Stage Markings to reach the current situation.

https://www.dublinbus.ie/Fare-Calculator/

AlekSmart

Dravokivich wrote: »

Just like with Dublin bus, there's nothing available to assess the stage locations.

There is....:)

https://www.dublinbus.ie/Fare-Calculator/

RebelButtMunch

AlekSmart wrote: »

There is....:)

https://www.dublinbus.ie/Fare-Calculator/

Could they not just put it on the stops with the route?

Standing at a stop it would be far easier to reference that than using that web app

Dravokivich

KD345 wrote: »

Dublin Bus stages are listed on every timetable and on the fare calculator section of the Dublin Bus app.

Not every stop is a stage.

Dravokivich

AlekSmart wrote: »

There is....:)

https://www.dublinbus.ie/Fare-Calculator/

It'll give you the fare per journey, but doesn't tell you were the stages are.

Dravokivich

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Could they not just put it on the stops with the route?

Standing at a stop it would be far easier to reference that than using that web app

They used to.

Cookie_Monster

Bray Head wrote: »

Dravokivich wrote: »

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Are they doing away with all that mystical 'stage' rubbish and having a clear guide on cost?

Nope. Fare structures are aligned.

Can someone point me to anything in the public domain on how many stages are between stops on the 175 route?

I've asked both go ahead and nta. Will post any reply. Go ahead facebook messenger monitoring person has no idea anyway...

L1011

tbh, most people even working in any the companies don't understand the stage system!

KD345

Dravokivich wrote: »

Not every stop is a stage.

I know that, that’s why they list them on the timetable and the fare calculator.

KD345

Dravokivich wrote: »

It'll give you the fare per journey, but doesn't tell you were the stages are.

It does, the stops which are stages are marked as such.

punisher5112

I couldn't understand the stage system if ya paid me.... Wait....

It's different inbound to outbound.....

I'm lost.

L1011

Someone, Victor probably, did a list where the same trip along the same corridor using the same stops can be a different price on different numbered routes due to inconsistent stages. Utterly incoherent system

dashcamdanny

prinzeugen wrote: »

The "bus" on that sign is a train. A British Rail class 323. There are plenty of other picture forms they could have used for a bus.

And they chose a train!

This is just another reason why the NTA cant be trusted with even the simplest things.

Lets give them billions anyway. Lets let them completely deconstruct our bus service, lets let them privatise it.

Sure its only the tax payers money.

devnull

dashcamdanny wrote: »

prinzeugen wrote: »

The "bus" on that sign is a train. A British Rail class 323. There are plenty of other picture forms they could have used for a bus.

And they chose a train!

This is just another reason why the NTA cant be trusted with even the simplest things.

Lets give them billions anyway. Lets let them completely deconstruct our bus service, lets let them privatise it.

Sure its only the tax payers money.

But it's not really like class 323, because a class 323 has
- Two piece windscreen, which the vehicle in the image doesn't
- A destination display built into the windscreen, the vehicle in the image has seperate panel
- Underhood gear rather than tyres and wheels sticking out like you know, a road vehicle.

You show that photo to 1000 random members of the public and ask them if it is a bus or a train and I can bet you that the majority would go for a bus, certainly everyone I know would.

Also, remind me, what is the picture like on the stops they are replacing? I'm sure it's a bona fida normal modern easy to distinguish bus isn't it? Oh hang on.....

So we have a bus company who can run a dark bus for 10 years and people say there are no problems with the disabled seeing it but can say the same disabled can't see a brighter bus that hasn't even entered service yet.

We have people saying that a bus looks a tiny bit like a train which makes it not fit for purpose, whilst never having complained about a sign that doesn't feature a vehicle at all.

It's amazing that people can find so many issues that cause people difficulty with the branding of a system they don't approve of that hasn't even been rolled out yet, but are unable to find issues that cause more difficulty with the branding of a system for the last ten years that they do approve of.

sharper

dashcamdanny wrote: »

This is just another reason why the NTA cant be trusted with even the simplest things.

Are you proposing even one single person will be confused about whether a bus or train is going to stop there? This is the very definition of nit picking.

Does anyone know when Dublin Bus are going to announce what they'll do with their extra 10% capacity? The number of full busses is already becoming worrying and schools aren't even fully back yet let alone universities.

GM228

dashcamdanny wrote: »

prinzeugen wrote: »

The "bus" on that sign is a train. A British Rail class 323. There are plenty of other picture forms they could have used for a bus.

And they chose a train!

This is just another reason why the NTA cant be trusted with even the simplest things.

Lets give them billions anyway. Lets let them completely deconstruct our bus service, lets let them privatise it.

Sure its only the tax payers money.

Indeed, the NTA can't be trusted for using the internationally recognised award winning ISO 7001 accredited "bus" symbol.

Now lets compare it to the non award winning, non internationally recognised, non ISO accredited bus symbol that DB, BE etc use, oh wait there's none.

Tarabuses

Stephen15 wrote: »

Have they put in stops on Sydenham Road?

Yes, one in each direction near the Upper Kilmacud Road junction.

dublinman1990

The new bus stop poles placed in Dundrum for the 75 & 175 may place a unknown level of uncertainty among commuters who use the 75 when GAI will be running it from October. The likely changes for the 75 indicate to us that it could be causing distruption for people who live in Balinteer or elsewhere as they would not be able to directly travel to places like Wesley College, Dundrum TC, Stillorgan from either Dun Laoghaire or Tallaght.

If the 75 was confirmed to have a route change in October; there is a lot of apparent incentive there to make the route quicker through Dundrum to give it some more flexibility in the running time. However; do GAI have other changes lined up for the 75 where the route could be further simplified to have further reductions in journey time? One thing they may be doing by simplifying the route further is to possibly change it between Stillorgan & Mounttown Road by going through the Monkstown Link Road, Rowanbyrn, Stradbrook Road, Monkstown Avenue, Monkstown Farm & Oliver Plunkett Road. It could also eliminate it's current infrequent loop around Sandyford Business District to make the bus get faster journey time out of it. Although I am not sure if these changes would be allowed under GAI's PSO contract with the NTA because they do need to keep the majority of it's route mileage intact.

I'm not sure what the impact is like for middle class areas of Balinteer are going to be like with these changes. It is quite a big area of Dublin to serve with it's current bus routes. Maybe an expansion of service on either the 14 or the 16 or both will be a good method of compensation for losing the 75 in that area?

Peregrine

dashcamdanny wrote: »

This is just another reason why the NTA cant be trusted with even the simplest things.

Your post is so blatantly over the top and disingenuous that I will remember it in the future as a reason why you can't be trusted to be impartial in even the simplest of debates.

AlekSmart

Dravokivich wrote: »

It'll give you the fare per journey, but doesn't tell you were the stages are.

It does exactly that.....From the drop down list of all the Bustops,each stage is cross referenced with it's specific Stop

Stop 2042, York Road, Willow Bank, Stage 50

Stop 2045, York Road, Mounttown Road, Stage 51

Stop 4569, Kill Avenue, Kill O The Grange, Stage 54

And thus for every stage on the particular route.

This is all well and good,however it totally avoids the question as to WHY the decision was made to remove ALL stage-markings from Bustops almost 20 years ago ?

AlekSmart

Peregrine wrote: »

Your post is so blatantly over the top and disingenuous that I will remember it in the future as a reason why you can't be trusted to be impartial in even the simplest of debates.

In all fairness,this trait is not confined only to one side of the debate on here.....;)

Stephen15

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The new bus stop poles placed in Dundrum for the 75 & 175 may place a unknown level of uncertainty among commuters who use the 75 when GAI will be running it from October. The likely changes for the 75 indicate to us that it could be causing distruption for people who live in Ballinteer or elsewhere as they would not be able to directly travel to places like Wesley College, Dundrum TC, Stillorgan from Dun Laoghaire.

They'll still be able to get to the places you mentioned but it's gonna take longer as the bus is going to do have a detour around Dundrum which is riddiculous in my opinion.

If the 75 was confirmed to have a route change in October; there is a lot of apparent incentive there to make the route quicker through Dundrum to give it some more flexibility in the running time. However; do GAI have other changes lined up for the 75 where the route could be further simplified to have further reductions in journey time?

I suggested that the 75 could bypass Dundrum Village altogether and go around by Balally Luas Station instead which cut significant time off the journey and provide a connection to the Luas at Balally while still serving Dundrum SC. The 175 could pick up the slack in the village.

One thing they may be doing by simplifying the route further is to possibly change it between Stillorgan & Mounttown Road by going through the Monkstown Link Road, Rowanbyrn, Stradbrook Road, Monkstown Avenue, Monkstown Farm & Oliver Plunkett Road. It could also eliminate it's current infrequent loop around Sandyford Business District to make the bus get faster journey time. Although I am not sure if these changes would be allowed under GAI's PSO contract with the NTA because they do need to keep the majority of it's route mileage intact.

That was the orginal plan for the 175 to provide a more direct connection between DL and Tallaght using the the route you mentioned. The appears to be the plan for BC route 225 you could introduce the orginal route 175 and number it the 75a.

GM228

AlekSmart wrote: »

This is all well and good,however it totally avoids the question as to WHY the decision was made to remove ALL stage-markings from Bustops almost 20 years ago ?

At least the NTA can't be blamed for that one

Stevek101

Anyone spot the second iteration of the amended livery?

AlekSmart

GM228 wrote: »

At least the NTA can't be blamed for that one

Abso..bloody Lutely.

The process still resonates with me,as it was perhaps the only time I encountered such a complete & total process carried out by a CIE group company.

Traditionally,and sadly,looking just as likely today,some luminary or consultancy body would swan in with wide ranging suggestions,which would then be adopted as "policy" and introduced with gusto...

Fast Forward 6 months,and some new "initiative" would be found,in which case it would be rinse & repeat,leaving the original uncompleted and usually unfit for purpose.

Not so with the Stage Marking Removal programme,which within a few months had removed ALL traces of them for the Travelling Public and perhaps more importantly,the Platform Staff.

The reasoning and justification for undressing the entire Fare-Stage system has has NEVER been adequately explained,nor has the decision to retain a century old Tramway based system,designed specifically for use by a Conductor...

Stevek101

Stages will be gone by 2019 if not by December this year so its a redundant argument.

Yer Da sells Avon

Stevek101 wrote: »

Anyone spot the second iteration of the amended livery?

Apparently several buses have now been painted into the hideous mess posted earlier on this thread.

I'm all for helping the visually impaired, but they shouldn't have allowed a blind person to design a bus livery.