FHFC wrote: » I'm having an absolute nightmare start lads and I don't quite know why. Missed Richarlison GW1 and I took a -8 last week which turned out disastrously in terms of GW3 points but moved out some duds gave me players that should be good for the short term. I can't see much wrong with my team. Took a -4 to get Alonso and move Richarlison this week so far and it looks ok for GW4. But my OR is 925k. Patricio/Hamer Alonso, Mendy, Holebas, Wan Bissaka, Peltier Salah, Mkhitaryan, Pedro, Walcott, Gunnarson Aguero, Auba, Arnie I'm resisting the urge to wildcard as I would still want a lot of those players and would only really be tidying up. Am I being too patient?
KevIRL wrote: » One thing a little different this year is that many of the strong players seem to have gotten off to good starts.
FHFC wrote: » On this part, I got PEA and Mhki in as part of my hit last week along with Pedro. I actually had funds to get Kane, and I was initially going to do that move but I got PEA and kept 1.5m in the bank. I'm not sold on Kane as an option yet. Scary words to say given how much he murdered me last year with the infamous double hattricks. But the difference is that while he has returned well the last two weeks and will haul here and there, he's not auto-captain for most people, and for the huge price he's not giving value for budget if not captained. (I know some people disagree with that concept so if you don't lets agree to disagree). I think there is serious value in the 6m to 8m range this year, compare to very little potential sub 6m (apart from maybe Austin, and possibly Fraser) so I don't think owning 3 super-premium players is justified when you could use the money to have a bigger defence and strong 3rd/4th mid and/or 3rd striker. I.e. trying to own Kane, Salah and Aguero will leave you scrimping in defence and having a cheap 4th mid/3rd striker. But looking at the fixtures of those three over the next 10 GWs and I only see ONE week where Kane would be the overwhelming captain choice -see below. So I'd be more looking at downgrading PEA to Mitrovic and improving my defence and being able to upgrade my third mid to a 9m budget range player. There's probably an argument to own Kane around GW7 to 9, and there will be runs of fixtures where his captaincy threat is higher, but in general I think I'll leave him and accept that he may get a brace or a hat trick here and there but if I'm getting decent captain returns from Aguero/Salah for less investment I can live with that.
Iused2likebusts wrote: » KevIRL wrote: » One thing a little different this year is that many of the strong players seem to have gotten off to good starts. That's the big key difference.
Chesty08 wrote: » ICT Index... Can someone explain what this is and it's importance? Influence, Creativity, Threat
The ICT Index is a football statistical index developed specifically to assess a player as an FPL asset. It uses match event data to generate a single score for three key areas – Influence, Creativity and Threat. These figures then combine to create an individual’s ICT Index score. It condenses more than 40 match event statistics into four distinct scores. These offer a view on player performance for factors that are known to produce FPL points. 1. Influence Influence is the first measurement - this evaluates the degree to which that player has made an impact on a match, or matches over the season. It takes into account events and actions that could directly or indirectly effect the match outcome. At the very top level these are decisive actions like goals and assists. However, the Influence score also processes significant defensive actions to analyse the effectiveness of defenders and goalkeepers. 2. Creativity Creativity assesses player performance in terms of producing goal scoring opportunities for others. It can be used as a guide to identify the players most likely to supply assists. While this analyses frequency of passing and crossing, it also considers pitch location and the incisiveness of the final ball. 3. Threat Threat is the third measure, producing a value that examines a player’s threat on goal; it therefore gauges those individuals most likely to score goals. While attempts are the key action, the Index looks at pitch location, giving greater weight to actions that are regarded as the best openings to register a goal. All three of these scores are then combined to create an overall ICT Index score. That then offers a single figure that presents a view on that player as an FPL asset.
iroced wrote: » I agree with everything you said. And in particular the value for money players offer. I even started to "question" a very little bit Salah myself. Not for now. But e.g. I'll keep a close eye on Salah vs Mané. What's putting me off for now for sure is his huge captaincy appeal. But we all know this can change very fast. A little injury, a bad run and in the meantime Spurs & Kane on fire and the whole situation has turned upside down. My worry about flexibility would become real if the likes of Hazard, Sanchez, KDB alongside PEA start clicking. So far, as you said, with all the mid-price mids delivering the goods, we've nothing to worry about. Apart from your own mini-leagues where you're fighting for cash (on which I can't have an opinion) how do you measure that? I'd say all the regulars in here are what you call strong serious players. And I'm under the impression to be reading this statement every single season from different players and such a start did not impede some of these players to get a top 10k finish, which I'd consider strong whatever the final rankings of any league.
Mr.Prodston wrote: » You're not really missing anyone of note for needing a wildcard. It seems for now that the template is too wide to fit them all in. Unless you're going to go for a major reshuffle for Kane/Hazard/Robertson then I'd suggest hanging on another few weeks. I jumped on Robertson myself Saturday but now find myself needing a -8 to get Alonso in for PVA or Cedric and getting a forward under 5.0 which I can't justify even though I'm not happy with King or Zaha. Unlike Ash Ketchum we ain't gonna be able to catch them all :cool: Maybe if you hung around here more often you'd pick up a few tips from boardsies who seem to be off to a flyer :P Even I'm at 235k as someone who notoriously doesn't start well. Seriously I'd try and give it another week anyway, it's a good team.
iroced wrote: » I agree with everything you said. And in particular the value for money players offer. I even started to "question" a very little bit Salah myself. Not for now. But e.g. I'll keep a close eye on Salah vs Mané. What's putting me off for now for sure is his huge captaincy appeal. But we all know this can change very fast. A little injury, a bad run and in the meantime Spurs & Kane on fire and the whole situation has turned upside down. My worry about flexibility would become real if the likes of Hazard, Sanchez, KDB alongside PEA start clicking. So far, as you said, with all the mid-price mids delivering the goods, we've nothing to worry about.
Chesty08 wrote: » ICT Index... Can someone explain what this is and it's importance? Influence, Creativity, Threat I suppose to give some background... I have been thinking of going with Salah as captain the weekend, is he going to outscore (or similar score) Mane, is he really worth the extra cash. Getting no bps the last two games really annoyed me when he had so much influence on the game, I couldn't comprehend how he was penalised rather than rewarded more. My own view watching games, is that he is above and beyond Mane, a constant threat and really could/should of scored more than his 2 goals to date. His ICT Index (52.5) is much higher than anyone else in the game (nearest are Aguero 39.5 and then Mane 35). Is this a strong indicator on a players performance?
Chesty08 wrote: » Thanks greedygoblin this is excellent. It goes without saying, I’ll not be going without Salah and I might even keep the armband on him. Watching Liverpool the last two games and in particular Mane v Salah, I really couldn’t understand how Mane got bps over Salah. The bps is definitely flawed when it comes to ICT (influence, creativity, threat). As you pointed out Salah just hasn’t converted to points wise. Saying that he is only a few points off (mainly the bps). We seen it took Salah a few games to click last year. Salah is a season keeper for me and will outscore Mane to the tune of an extra 3.5m with the armband
greedygoblin wrote: » I thought Salah's looked a bit rusty. Stuff like the final ball going astray, not controlling a pass, losing the ball too easily. He's not looked up to speed. But then again I've mostly just seen highlights & it's difficult to tell having not seen a full game. In fact, I would say the same for Man City. Saw a bit of the Wolves game & it was surprising to see the number of passes going astray.
Chesty08 wrote: » Yes he has looked a bit off, but you are comparing to his form of late last season. However what the ict indicates & what I felt was that he was doing a lot of this in dangerous position, getting a higher frequency of passes, shots etc away in comparison to say Mane. Obviously them not coming off leads to losing bps but indicator of him being of a really high ict overall.... it’s only a matter of time ...... I hope
S.M.B. wrote: » Is the ICT index based on the last game, last season or a selection of games from this season?
S.M.B. wrote: » I am guessing if you plotted cost against points per minute you would get a similar graph.
thewools wrote: » Pedro increased.. great. Anyone else reckon he will be dropped now for next game? Might cash in for the 0.1
greedygoblin wrote: » It's all from this season. They assign ICT scores for each game. If you click on a players history they give the ICT scores there alongside the BPS. The headline value they have for each player is a cumulative score; so they just add up all the index values for that player from GW1 up to the present gameweek. This is the value I've used for each player to generate the plot above. It might be more useful to look at the average ICT index for each game, or a running average of the last 3/4/5 gameweeks. It might provide a bit more of an idea of who is in form or not. Do you mean ICT against points/minute? Or a players value? Below is what the ICT against points/minute looks like; much the same except the further to the right the better this time. PPM is probably more intuitive. One thing to note is that the ICT figures for Spurs/ManUtd haven't been updated for GW3 yet, which skews the numbers a little for their players. Also Trippier missed GW1 so only has an ICT index for GW2, which maybe reinforces the argument to use an averaged ICT index value instead.
S.M.B. wrote: » I'm assuming this number is one of the main contributors for the price tag of a player in the following season.
S.M.B. wrote: » It would be interesting to see it averaged out though. Could be a really useful tool.
Dr. Bre wrote: » One of my fav captaincy was Walcott v Newcastle a few years back around Christmas. Think it was 3 goals and 2 assists. Actually Newcastle are my fav team to captain a player against!
