murphaph wrote: » Amen. Was in Stockholm for the first time last week. Considering Dublin is a similar size they put us to shame completely. Time to stop the excuses and build stuff.
marno21 wrote: » 2021. Starting with putting up wires on the Northern Line but I am open to correction. Funds upto then will be spent on fleet. Most commuters would be happier with more trains rather than looking at workers installing a catenary out the window of a crush loaded train.
1huge1 wrote: » 2022 before they even start extending the dart network, even by their standards, that is painfully slow.
D.L.R. wrote: » Integrating Docklands with tram & future Dart Underground is a no brainer, and the route is still available. There's no reason NOT to do it, besides money. All they need to do is finalise the revised DU route and then just bite the bullet and build the DU box at the same time. We need to actually start building this stuff.
roadmaster wrote: » I think when the sligo bound train is waiting to cross the northern line is the problem as it is frustrating for the commuters but more importantly when the dart arrives on the maynooth line what happens there will it have to wait behind the sligo train? Then there goes your timetable. I think if CIE/IR do move docklands station like they are saying. They should send all Sligo/Longford/Mullingar Trains there. As the luas will be on there doorstep with easy access to the city. But several people i believe on here have voiced issues about Sligo/Mullingar trains going to docklands
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Why is terminating Sligo trains in Connolly such an issue? I know there is issues with congestion on approach on the northern side but surely the limited Sligo trains are the least of concerns here. Aren't most of the problems related to the through platforms and the Loop Line? Connolly has four non-through platforms, surely ideal for terminating trains? Apart from Belfast trains, nothing else is likely to terminate at Connolly. Better use of Docklands seems like a better/cheaper solution than finding somewhere else to terminate Sligo trains.
blanch152 wrote: » If the number of trains increases, a second service option can be built. Terminating Sligo in the Docklands is an option to keep Connolly more free.
bk wrote: » Fair enough, but you should also keep in mind that operational practicalities can and will very likely change and with 2 billion being spent on this, that possibly service locations could well change too.
LXFlyer wrote: » I stilll think it is very unlikely that your ideas as above will happen. The trains still need to be serviced in Drogheda. That happens during the day for some of the trains that overnight in Sligo. Trains need to be fuelled watered and discharged during the day too. All of that happens in Connolly. There isn’t going to be space for all of that in Phibsboro. Sets swap during the day too - they don’t stick rigidly to one route. That has to be taken into account. Running the limited Rosslare services across the loop won’t have that great an impact to be honest, and as I said above Connolly is far better suited to deal with turnarounds. Pearse has already been rather expensively remodelled and resignalled. Talking about changing it again is fantasy land stuff. People need to start thinking about the operational practicalities of this sort of thing.
LXFlyer wrote: » People need to start thinking about the operational practicalities of this sort of thing.
bk wrote: » Don't let the some of the lads from the C&T forum hear you suggest that, they will burn you alive :P Pages and pages have been written on this subject. It is a very obvious thing to do and could increase frequency to Wexford by training the train around faster, but it seems making a quick 30 seconds transfer is the end of the world :rolleyes: BTW south of Greystones, the Wexford line carries less then 600 passengers a day!
cgcsb wrote: » Glasnevin Station isn't even designed yet, provision can be made at design stage to turn trains around. Pearse can also have a retrofit and put in better facilities considering the scale of the DART expansion project that shouldn't be hard. I would say keeping trains off the loopline and away from Connolly where they are not necessary should be the order of the day if we're to have high frequency service without building DART underground.
LXFlyer wrote: » Leaving aside the fact that Rosslare trains and Sligo trains all need to be serviced, with a 10 minute DART you will not be terminating those trains anywhere except Connolly which has the facilities to hold trains. Pearse has no ability to turn back from the south and the train would just block the running lines, and I doubt very much that there will be space for anything more than platforms on the four running lines at Whitworth Rd. The plan as I understand it is for extra platform space at Connolly which makes far more sense.
Sam Russell wrote: » I'd think terminating Wexford trains at Bray - or at least some of them - would make a lot of sense. This would allow earlier services towards Wexford, and passengers would simply cross the platform to a waiting Dart and continue their journey - there is an island platform conveniently placed for such a transfer. How many passengers currently get off at Bray and transfer to the Dart? Currently, the first train south into Wexford arrives after midday - not a lot of use for business passengers.
cgcsb wrote: » New stations at Cabra and Heuston West are planned afaik. I'd also say post electrification it'd be worth considering stations at Croke Park and Blackhorse Avenue. The Maynooth Line Service needs to be every 15 minutes all day at least. If necessary Sligo trains can terminate at a dedicated platform at Whitworth road where passangers can access 2 frequent DART lines, Metro and E and F bus services. I'd argue this is a better terminus for Sligo passengers than Connolly, they could even have more frequent trains. Run all Maynooth/Dunboyne DARTs to Docklands and all Sallins Darts to Grand Canal Dock. Terminate trains from Wexford in Pearse. All very manageable if people just change trains, and rely on the high frequency for short change times.
MayoSalmon wrote: » One stop from town like. A Dublin Bike would probably get you to pearse quicker anyway
Ireland trains wrote: » I was reading an artical on the independat a few months ago that said they were planning on having a dart line from heuston to docklands via ppt. Could they add an undergrould stop at dublin zoo and make a stop at near the matter hospital and croke park on the south line near croke park
CatInABox wrote: » More frequent trains is probably the only answer. It's probably more likely that they'll hold off bringing in more commuter trains, and wait for the Dart Expansion to order in more.
TheChrisD wrote: » Sounds like a nightmare for those from Pace/Dunboyne looking to commute to Maynooth by train.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » So maybe Maynooth trains don't stop at Navan Road Parkway, Ashtown and Pelletstown. Dunboyne trains only stop at these but they don't stop at Clonsilla, Coolmine and Castleknock.
L1011 wrote: Happens frequently enough at drumcondra.
