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NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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They've published!

The government has published a new map outlining in detail 700,000 rural homes and businesses which will be connected to state-subsidised broadband of at least 30 megabits per second (Mbs) from 2016.

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/revealed-700000-homes-and-businesses-to-get-subsidised-fast-broadband-in-new-plan-30769126.html

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KOR101

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/eir-warns-comreg-of-legal-action-over-unfair-uso-costs-37258414.html

Marlow

KOR101 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/eir-warns-comreg-of-legal-action-over-unfair-uso-costs-37258414.html

Acting like a spoiled brat. They haven't even submitted the application and want to go straight to court.

In general the USO is dead anyhow. Simply because when you order a line under USO there is no enforced delivery time frame. Can take years to get a line.

Yesterday Eir shut down the clock service. Another some some that makes zero sense to shut down, because the cost of running that can have been marginal.

/M

Marlow

Oh ..

and here is another thing to think about:

The USO is financed over the line rental fees that OpenEIR is charging to the providers.

If the USO was abolished, OpenEIR would have to drastically reduce the landline rental overall.

/M

[Deleted User]

They say they can't keep the infrastructure active. What infrastructure is this exactly? All the more reason for the NBP to be out of fully private hands.....

Marlow

roddy15 wrote: »

They say they can't keep the infrastructure active. What infrastructure is this exactly? All the more reason for the NBP to be out of fully private hands.....

This is for example Rurtel wireless infrastructure. Something you for example see on Achill or in other remote areas.

An exchange, that is connected via a couple wireless links and all you can order is a phone line. No broadband.

A lot of this gear, they can't even get spares for anymore. And often they've send the spares they had to auction .. because sure .. we're never going to need those line cards.

It's poles in rural areas, that they haven't replaced in 10-20 years, let go to the point of falling over and now don't want to sped the money on fixing those.

Those and much much more.

They are basically trying to wiggle them out of their lack of foresight, investment in the network over the years and planning. Instead, they used the money for big pay offs for the management.

/M

ED E

roddy15 wrote: »

They say they can't keep the infrastructure active. What infrastructure is this exactly? All the more reason for the NBP to be out of fully private hands.....

AXES, copper plant.

Persiancowboy

roddy15 wrote: »

They say they can't keep the infrastructure active. What infrastructure is this exactly? All the more reason for the NBP to be out of fully private hands.....

A debate has already begun at EU level (and I'm sure here as well) about the future of copper networks and the appropriate regulation of same. As fibre deployment becomes more ubiquitous (think mainland Europe as against rural Ireland) the future of legacy copper networks and how they survive/are paid for or are decommissioned will need to be dealt with.

This might well be eir's opening salvo in trying to get ComReg to start dealing with this?

The Cush

Persiancowboy wrote: »

This might well be eir's opening salvo in trying to get ComReg to start dealing with this?

Already started - https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057680545/1/#post101923262

Grab All Association

Always curious about fixed cellular customers how do they transfer to another service provider e.g Vodafone, Sky etc with their UAN.

fritzelly

If it's to a VOIP with the other provider then the same as any transfer
If you're expecting it to a PSTN line then forget about it.

Marlow

USO does not have the same freedom as any other line.

So if it's fixed cellular and it's not part as a house move to a place where the line isn't fixed cellular then your chances are zero to go with another provider.

With a USO wireless or fixed cellular you're stuck with Eir. There is no choice of other providers. It's the one scenario, where it's true, that Eir is your only choice.

/M

KOR101

Figures published by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) show that 11 per cent of the population do not have online access at home, with 40 per cent of that cohort saying they believe it unnecessary and 30 per cent expressing concern about the skills needed to use it

A further 8 per cent said they had access to the internet elsewhere while 6 per cent of those without broadband said it was because it was unavailable in their area. Other barriers included the high cost of equipment and charges imposed by service providers.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-home-internet-access-for-11-of-state-s-citizens-cso-finds-1.3614419

9726_9726

KOR101 wrote: »

Figures published by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) show that 11 per cent of the population do not have online access at home, with 40 per cent of that cohort saying they believe it unnecessary and 30 per cent expressing concern about the skills needed to use it

A further 8 per cent said they had access to the internet elsewhere while 6 per cent of those without broadband said it was because it was unavailable in their area. Other barriers included the high cost of equipment and charges imposed by service providers.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-home-internet-access-for-11-of-state-s-citizens-cso-finds-1.3614419

Reinforcement that uptake of NBP will have to be carefully factored into ROI calculations. If Eir rural FTTH is at 18% which was mentioned on here at some point, enet/gov will have to factor in some kind of figure.

Let's hope they've been realistic so far. Could this have been a factor in man + dog giving up on the tender?

turbbo

Marlow wrote: »

Oh ..

and here is another thing to think about:

The USO is financed over the line rental fees that OpenEIR is charging to the providers.

If the USO was abolished, OpenEIR would have to drastically reduce the landline rental overall.

/M

Eir have been well able to charge everybody that has a landline be they a customer of Eir or not - that outrageous charge(line rental) and get away with it - it would be no bad thing for the people of Ireland if that charge had to be abolished.

TheRiverman

fritzelly wrote: »

Your funny

Your?

tsue921i8wljb3

DCU dude wants to use group water schemes to facilitate the roll out of fibre. Behind a pawall on the Business Post.

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/go-flow-proposal-novel-rural-internet-plan-424431

fergus1001

TheRiverman wrote:

Your?

you're

Johnboy1951

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

DCU dude wants to use group water schemes to facilitate the roll out of fibre. Behind a pawall on the Business Post.

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/go-flow-proposal-novel-rural-internet-plan-424431

Would have a heck of a job here to do that (did not read due to paywall).
There was no facility put in for such extra use such as extra ducting.
So it would mean digging up along side the road for many miles, and laying new duct and building chambers.
Not viable.

wexfordman2

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Would have a heck of a job here to do that (did not read due to paywall).
There was no facility put in for such extra use such as extra ducting.
So it would mean digging up along side the road for many miles, and laying new duct and building chambers.
Not viable.

I am guessing the plan is to deploy the fibre within the existing pipework itself, whcih has been done before.

fergus1001

so it's September where is the announcement of the NBP ?

tsue921i8wljb3

fergus1001 wrote: »

so it's September where is the announcement of the NBP ?

16th is the date apparently although that's a Sunday so it seems a strange date to release the contract details.

tsue921i8wljb3

Carolan Lennon has just been on Newstalk discussing the end of year results. A few interesting points emerged. She said that they had been working with enet to enable enet to use eir infrastructure as part of their NBP bid but when pushed by Vincent Wall on whether eir would accept a lowering of their infrastructure access charges she seemed more hesitant saying that would be a matter for Comreg.

She also said that eir shareholders had agreed a €1bn investment over five years to bring FTTH to 1.4 million premises in urban and semi-urban areas.

We have now completed almost two thirds of our fibre-to-the-home (FTTH) rural rollout, an investment programme funded entirely by eir. An additional 30,000 premises will also be passed as part of this rollout, meaning that by June 2019, eir will have passed 330,000 rural homes and businesses with super-fast broadband directly to the premises.

eir withdrew from the NBP tender process in early 2018, but remains committed to supporting the remaining bidder enet in making eir’s infrastructure ready and available for the delivery of the NBP. We are allocating significant resources in order to provide this support and will continue to do so, to help realise the shared ambition of high speed broadband for all homes and businesses as soon as possible.

eir is planning substantial investment programmes in the coming years for both broadband and mobile. We are embarking upon a €1 billion capital investment program over the next five years which will see an expansion of our high-speed fibre-to-the home (FTTH) rollout to a further 1.4 million homes and businesses across the country. We will also make a significant investment in our mobile network by developing more eir sites with top of the range equipment and enhancing our coverage for voice and 4G data experience in both urban and rural Ireland. We will also invest in a 5G mobile network, delivering the most technologically advanced mobile data services starting in 2019. We have also started bringing outsourced customer-facing functions back in house, in order to help build a world-class customer experience.

https://www.eir.ie/pressroom/eir-announce-4th-quarter-and-full-year-results-to-30-June-2018/

Johnboy1951

Yes she particularly emphasised (I thought) that they were planning to roll out FTTH in urban centres like Dublin.
Apparently they will have allocated 1.5 billion over the past few years for FTTH when their 300/330 K roll out is complete and have allocated a further 1 billion for the urban FTTH roll out.

But with eir, who knows what they true plans are ...

I would very much like to know how they plan on dealing with cabinet connected customers.
Will the cabinets be re-purposed to split fibre to its premises, or do they have some other scheme in mind?

KOR101

From "Risk Factors" in Annual Report for Bondholders Year Ended 30 June 2018.

eNet is last remaining bidder in the NBP process. The outcome of this bidding process could range from a low to high level of utilisation of our infrastructure and could therefore significantly impact our costs and the viability of operating networks in low density areas. The final outcome of the NBP process may have a material adverse effect on our business, financial condition and results of operations.

Grab All Association

There should be a massive separation/sell off/giveaway to eNet (including the USO negotiations with it) of infrastructure outside FTTH/VDSL areas. ADSL1/2 customers migrated over to 150mb FTTH and VDSL for free.
Copper network is too costly to maintain and the stubborn few who stick will only end up being subsidized by FTTH customers in years to come. By downsizing their network to the blue rural fibre routes, it’ll be a lot more profitable and less expensive to maintain in years to come.

Of course this is Ireland so fat chance of that

user1842

Who is going repair Eir's pole infrastructure in the intervention areas? This infrastructure is in total decay. Beside my parents house the cables touch the ground and the poles are at a 45 degree angle. This is an area 1km outside a major west of Ireland town. Surely if Eir have to repair this, they would have stayed in the NBP.

Pique

Did you report it to Eir? Say it's a hazard and they'll be out to sort it out. I contacted my provider (Sky) last year for a fallen pole down my single car lane country road after the storms. I am the last house in the road and the only one the pole affects. It was blocking the road so a farmer moved it with his tractor loader to the side of the road (but the line hadn't broken). Eir were out about a fortnight later and replaced the pole.

user1842

Eir fixed a fault on my parents line and my Dad pointed the issue with the poles out to them. They said if the line is working they will not fix the poles and noted that the line was not touching the ground (it was two feet above it, in a hedge).

KOR101

Eir owner faces test in French home market

INVESTORS will be fixated on one issue when telecom carrier Iliad reports earnings on Tuesday: how badly it's losing market share in France. Long the disruptor of the country's telecom industry, Iliad is suffering from a reversal of fortunes as competitors successfully counter its low-price offers. The carrier founded by billionaire Xavier Niel reported its first-ever broadband subscriber loss in May and its shares continued to slide through the summer after rivals Orange, Bouygues and Altice Europe's SFR all showed customer gains in the second quarter. The stock is down 45pc this year.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/eir-owner-faces-test-in-french-home-market-37279739.html

Ultimanemo

Grab All Association wrote: »

Copper network is too costly to maintain and the stubborn few who stick will only end up being subsidized by FTTH customers in years to come.

If I ask eir to install a landline for me will that cause them headache, If it will I will