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Publicly unacceptable opinions

Undividual

I posted on the recent referendum and probably deserved a lot of the flak I got for my posts. I was trying to work things out in my head so I don't mind any of that tbh. It did make me think however about unacceptable opinions to voice in public. I've seen other posters get labeled (perhaps correctly) as racist/bigoted etc for discussing some issues online, but to me the problem is that they cant be discussed in real life, as in bad ideas/logic should be challenged openly.

Below are some of my unpalatable opinions:

1) I'm afraid of the effects of Islam on the West (less about terrorism than segregated societies/Sharia law/child grooming gangs etc) and our governments willingness to accept more refugees from Muslim countries. To clarify, I dont believe this will be a problem for Ireland in the next ten years. I have Muslim family members who have assimilated (obviously) to Irish culture, but I feel the discussion in Ireland about the specific difficulties in assimilating Islam are not really broached. I realize it is probably not logical to worry at this point, as we haven't had a terrorist attack in Ireland or any scandal with Muslims here.

2) It really annoys me that the problems between the settled community and the traveller community are never adequately addressed. There are a lot of liberal minded people who would rather defend supposedly oppressed minorities than treat them as fallible humans. I remember a Slavoj Zizek interview where he asked a liberal "Should they live beside you?" The answer obviously wasn't yes. I don't mind segregation up to a point, but what does it say about the settled community's values that the illiteracy rate among travelers is so high? Is it not the duty of the state to try to give every child the same chance at life, regardless?

3) As I get older, I find that I respect women less than men. In general I find men to be more stoic about their situations. I find more women than men to have unrealistic expectations, particularly about relationships. What I would call the feminization of society (therapy culture, obsession with the abolition of traditional gender roles etc) has created a generation of men who are undoubtedly good fathers, though I worry what kind of men these men will raise. A woman in her late 50s recently said to me that she was alone and that no one called in to her. I asked her why she didn't just leave the house. She said "And go where?" If a man said that to me, I would probably laugh in his face.

4) I prefer gay men to lesbians (settle down). I have a lesbian family member who has been overly aggressive towards me in the past, in a way that I don't think she would have been with my female relatives. I do understand that as a lesbian, men must seem like a mixture of nuisances, competitors and outright pests, so it doesn't bother me that much, but it's a pain to be treated differently for what you are rather than who you are (upon re-reading, I realize this may sound ironic). I find most gay men I've met to be funny and easy to talk to, even if less than I thought (hoped) were attracted to me.

And yes, I am Hitler.

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Irish Kings

Hector Bellend wrote: »

There's an aussie bird that drinks in my local and she has a truly splendid arse on her.

Apparently it's unacceptable to compliment a girls arse these days.

does he look like the pope as well ?

Hector Bellend

Irish Kings wrote: »

does he look like the pope as well ?

www.instantrimshot.com

Hotblack Desiato

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

But isn't it strange how some people are so desperate to blame victims?

Could be worse Andy. You could be a motorcyclist...

Irish Kings

Deleted User wrote: »

And? Why is this an unacceptable opinion? I would have thought a woman climbing a crane would be more unacceptable!

Do you believe in real equality, in the dirtiest, most dangerous and lowest paid jobs done by men from refuge collectors to sewage workers ?
and Jobs with the highest health and safety risks and death rates.
You don't hear many demands for equal numbers of women in those jobs.

Hotblack Desiato

There's nothing stopping any woman or man applying for these jobs, they don't appeal to most people though.

Gets on my nerves a bit when people say that the canvassing, long hours, abuse, etc. make entering politics unattractive to most women. These things make it unattractive to most men too. There are many ways of earning as much or more with much greater job security and a lot less hassle.

keffiyeh

Hector Bellend wrote: »

There's an aussie bird that drinks in my local and she has a truly splendid arse on her.

Apparently it's unacceptable to compliment a girls arse these days.

Can you elaborate here because it seems there's more to this story. It's fine to think things like this, however going up to a person and sharing opinions like this with strangers has never been ok.

PlaneSpeeking

Hector Bellend wrote: »

There's an aussie bird that drinks in my local and she has a truly splendid arse on her.

Apparently it's unacceptable to compliment a girls arse these days.

And here's the paradox (I may have used that word wrong!!!) but I have to problem with anyone complimenting my arse.

It's just there's nothing complimentary about it!!!

Shenshen

Hector Bellend wrote: »

There's an aussie bird that drinks in my local and she has a truly splendid arse on her.

Apparently it's unacceptable to compliment a girls arse these days.

Nah, it's just that you don't get to call making someone feel uncomfortable "a compliment" any more.

[Deleted User]

People with unacceptable opinions are subconscious supporters of genocidal tendencies. They subconsciously want who they call bad people dead, and the only thing stopping them from making their hated people so is the consequences. Historically they were he ones supporting pogroms, genocides, mob rule. They want their war, and the lack of peace is an acceptable loss.

Well, you wanted an unacceptable opinion, right?

Chris_Heilong

Deleted User wrote: »

People with unacceptable opinions are subconscious supporters of genocidal tendencies. They subconsciously want who they call bad people dead, and the only thing stopping them from making their hated people so is the consequences. Historically they were he ones supporting pogroms, genocides, mob rule. They want their war, and the lack of peace is an acceptable loss.

Well, you wanted an unacceptable opinion, right?

Is this an attempt at trolling? lol.

I could easily say those who support PC culture are really evil fascists/pedos/racists that hide behind the shield of PC culture to mask their true selves as that is basically what you are saying and it sounds crazy.

keffiyeh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People with unacceptable opinions are subconscious supporters of genocidal tendencies. They subconsciously want who they call bad people dead, and the only thing stopping them from making their hated people so is the consequences. Historically they were he ones supporting pogroms, genocides, mob rule. They want their war, and the lack of peace is an acceptable loss.

Well, you wanted an unacceptable opinion, right?

Yep. Lots of boards members would lock a whole lot of moderates, Muslims and other minorities in an oven this evening if they could, all the while screaming 'leftists' and 'terrorists'. It's scary how the hateful on this island have been given a platform like this but that's down to the terrible moderation.

cantdecide

keffiyeh wrote: »

Yep. Lots of boards members would lock a whole lot of moderates, Muslims and other minorities in an oven this evening if they could, all the while screaming 'leftists' and 'terrorists'. It's scary how the hateful on this island have been given a platform like this but that's down to the terrible moderation.

*cough* antifa *cough*

Billy86

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

Women cherry pick professions that suit them. No labouring, climbing cranes, working sites.

To be fair, I knew two women who wanted to get into labouring but were never given a chance due to being women. One was about 6'2, 220 and just naturally built like a brick ****house. The other is my now-girlfriend, and despite being 5'1 and 115lbs is one of the fittest people I know (more so than even a member of the Dublin football team, though obviously he has more brute strength), can squat over 250lbs and just spent this weekend hiking non-stop up and down the Scottish Highlands with about 70-80lbs of equipment on her back at all times, for 10-12 hours a day. It is generally true, but there are definitely plenty of examples of women who want to get into that kind of work but are rejected on the basis of not having a penis.

Ironically enough I work in admin, where the exact opposite is often very true.

PlaneSpeeking

Billy86 wrote: »

To be fair, I knew two women who wanted to get into labouring but were never given a chance due to being women. One was about 6'2, 220 and just naturally built like a brick ****house. The other is my now-girlfriend, and despite being 5'1 and 115lbs is one of the fittest people I know (more so than even a member of the Dublin football team, though obviously he has more brute strength), can squat over 250lbs and just spent this weekend hiking non-stop up and down the Scottish Highlands with about 70-80lbs of equipment on her back at all times, for 10-12 hours a day. It is generally true, but there are definitely plenty of examples of women who want to get into that kind of work but are rejected on the basis of not having a penis.

Ironically enough I work in admin, where the exact opposite is often very true.

I knew a girl in school years ago, wanted to be a plumber - her dad took her on as an apprentice and she thrived.

Bloody lovely woman and hard as nails. I loved the expression on her face when anyone complained about breaking a nail - priceless!!!!

Grayson

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There's nothing stopping any woman or man applying for these jobs, they don't appeal to most people though.

Gets on my nerves a bit when people say that the canvassing, long hours, abuse, etc. make entering politics unattractive to most women. These things make it unattractive to most men too. There are many ways of earning as much or more with much greater job security and a lot less hassle.

Other countries have a far higher percentage of female politicians than we do. And they have to do all that canvassing too. So it's not that. Women are willing to do that part of the job.
There's something about our politics that is making it unattractive to women or preventing them from contributing.

We're way down the list of countries when it comes to the percentage of women in parliament.

King of Kings

Grayson wrote: »

Other countries have a far higher percentage of female politicians than we do. And they have to do all that canvassing too. So it's not that. Women are willing to do that part of the job.
There's something about our politics that is making it unattractive to women or preventing them from contributing.

We're way down the list of countries when it comes to the percentage of women in parliament.

i dont get this opinion that politics is unattractive to women....its unattractive to men too.

In my youth I flirted with some political parties and went to a few meetings etc....

The sheer amount of hours a politican has to do and the rubber chicken circuit put me off.
Id pref to spend my evenings training or with my kids. Probably to the countries benefit

but Im not alone.

Its not just woman put off...many capable men are too.

Ulysses Gaze

cantdecide wrote: »

*cough* antifa *cough*

No...No...No...according to keffiyeh...Antifa are akin to French Resistance fighters....

Undividual

Deleted User wrote: »

People with unacceptable opinions are subconscious supporters of genocidal tendencies. They subconsciously want who they call bad people dead, and the only thing stopping them from making their hated people so is the consequences. Historically they were he ones supporting pogroms, genocides, mob rule. They want their war, and the lack of peace is an acceptable loss.

Well, you wanted an unacceptable opinion, right?

Hmmm... so applying our social standards to other societies/minorities is the first step towards genocide? I wonder do other societies/minorities apply their social standards to our society?

Not really sure how you can generalise about the historic subconscious desires of dead people you have never met.

[Deleted User]

keffiyeh wrote: »

Yep. Lots of boards members would lock a whole lot of moderates, Muslims and other minorities in an oven this evening if they could, all the while screaming 'leftists' and 'terrorists'. It's scary how the hateful on this island have been given a platform like this but that's down to the terrible moderation.

Lots? Could you name a few?

cantdecide

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

No...No...No...according to keffiyeh...Antifa are akin to French Resistance fighters....

Better get those murderous fascist bastards before they get us... all in the name of kindness, understanding, sweetness, equality, liberty and inclusion of course. If you ask me, anyone who espouses these dodgy 'caution' sentiments are as bad than the people that have actually done a bit of light murderin'. They may be worse now that I think about it. Yeah, I've decided they're worse just now.

Better not mention the millions that died at the hands of the socialists and communists. Could get awkward.

keffiyeh

cantdecide wrote: »

*cough* antifa *cough*

Yes that's another thing they could be screaming as they shoved moderates in to the ovens. That and shrieking 'ESSSJAYDOUBLEUUUUS'.

cantdecide

Bootlegger wrote: »

First time a post here has made me cringe.

Welcome

keffiyeh

Bootlegger wrote: »

First time a post here has made me cringe.

I found this interesting so I took a look at your post history.

Oh look, right at the top there, anti-islamic/immigrant rhetoric.

And then I scrolled down to the bottom. Anti-traveller rhetoric.

Then I went through the next few pages. It kinda continues like that.

How shocking.

:pac:

Looking at your post history makes me kind of proud you don't like anything I have to say.

Grayson

King of Kings wrote: »

i dont get this opinion that politics is unattractive to women....its unattractive to men too.

In my youth I flirted with some political parties and went to a few meetings etc....

The sheer amount of hours a politican has to do and the rubber chicken circuit put me off.
Id pref to spend my evenings training or with my kids. Probably to the countries benefit but Im not alone.

Its not just woman put off...many capable men are too.

but the point is that it's similar for politicians everywhere. So there has to be something different about Ireland that makes us have such low female participation.

Hector Bellend

Gender quotas are a nonsense.

I believe a job should be awarded on the suitability and track record of the candidate. Novel I know.

PlaneSpeeking

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Gender quotas are a nonsense.

I believe a job should be awarded on the suitability and track record of the candidate. Novel I know.

If ever there was an opinion that SHOULD NOT be unacceptable, that's the one.

And for jobs where physicality may likely be an issue - no difference in tests for women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3521538/Army-fitness-tests-written-make-sure-female-soldiers-qualify-line-duty.html

The kip of the ban Garda walking down the Quays the other day - made Kylie look like a brick ****house.

cantdecide

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

If ever there was an opinion that SHOULD NOT be unacceptable, that's the one.

And for jobs where physicality may likely be an issue - no difference in tests for women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3521538/Army-fitness-tests-written-make-sure-female-soldiers-qualify-line-duty.html

The kip of the ban Garda walking down the Quays the other day - made Kylie look like a brick ****house.

Not to mention Fire fighters.

Rebecca Wax, 33, is set to graduate Tuesday from the Fire Academy without passing the Functional Skills Training test, a grueling obstacle course of job-related tasks performed in full gear with a limited air supply, an insider has revealed.

two other female probies in the graduating class passed the FST with flying colors.

“They’re kicking butt. They’re doing better than 50 percent of the class,” the insider said. “When they get assigned to a firehouse, they’ll be welcomed with open arms because they’ve done what everyone else has gone through.”

Other female firefighters aren’t pleased about Wax’s treatment, either.

Meanwhile, half of my teachers between junior infants and 6th class were male and these days you'd be lucky to find a single one. But that's grand altogether, so it is.

PlaneSpeeking

cantdecide wrote: »

Not to mention Fire fighters.

Meanwhile, half of my teachers between junior infants and 6th class were male and these days you'd be lucky to find a single one. But that's grand altogether, so it is.

Fair play to the other two, bloody good on them - but her ? No f**king way.

King of Kings

Grayson wrote: »

but the point is that it's similar for politicians everywhere. So there has to be something different about Ireland that makes us have such low female participation.

im not gonna claim too much knowledge of other countries policies but I dont think MPs in the UK are sorting out passports and forms for constituants etc...or having nicknames like "the bishop" due to the number of funerals they attend.

It may be cultural...but there are no.barriers to women running for the dail.than there are for men.
The lack of female TDs is just down to the voting in a popularity contest.
We have women party leaders and ministers....and 2 female presidents...
we arent that bad...

maybe politics is a poor career choice and irish women are smart ...i earn a TDs salary (excluding expenses) working a 9 to 5.30
I work with women in similar positions...cant see them giving changing careers to the dail for more hours and constant grief off the public.

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DEFTLEFTHAND

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Fair play to the other two, bloody good on them - but her ? No f**king way.

They'll probably stick her in an office at the Firehouse on the same pay as the firefighters who risk their lives.

Any man or woman who can't pass the physical shouldn't be in an ass's roar of the Fire Service. It's not some game, peoples lives are at risk.