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Should we protest against the pope's visit?

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I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

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All My Stars Aligned

ELM327 wrote: »

Were you listening to Newstalk this morning? Because they pretty much said exactly this, and that the RCC should now focus on emerging markets in LATAM and Africa. I agree, as the western world has gotten wise to their ways and the only way to keep the organisation going is to prey on the lesser well off areas of the world. Like Ireland used to be.

And I'm am fairly certain that in 20 years or so we will be hearing about the very same types of abuse in those countries that went on here. Very sad.

ELM327

Leroy42 wrote: »

Or maybe Ireland just isn't particularly relevant to the CC. Do you really think the Pope has given one minute thinking to Ireland before he was informed that the WMoF was taking place here?

We are just 5m people, in a country rapidly moving away from the CC. They had a good run here, but it is akin to the cigarette companies. Sure they will continue to sell here, but no point getting too worried about a declining market.

As other posters have said, FF gave the CC immunity (pretty much) on child abuse claims so there really is no need to spend too much time on it.

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The CC know that they have, or at least had, a captive audience. That they could do almost whatever they liked and people were tied into the CC for life. The point being that the person has changed, or rather they lack of ability to simply accept, whilst the CC has largely stayed the same.

Were you listening to Newstalk this morning? Because they pretty much said exactly this, and that the RCC should now focus on emerging markets in LATAM and Africa. I agree, as the western world has gotten wise to their ways and the only way to keep the organisation going is to prey on the lesser well off areas of the world. Like Ireland used to be.

Edward M

Irish Kings wrote: »

Why would a "Catholic" not want to pray and go to mass ?, what you actually mean is you have some sort of cultural catholic background, that's not what the census is asking though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapsed_Catholic

Leroy42

Or maybe Ireland just isn't particularly relevant to the CC. Do you really think the Pope has given one minute thinking to Ireland before he was informed that the WMoF was taking place here?

We are just 5m people, in a country rapidly moving away from the CC. They had a good run here, but it is akin to the cigarette companies. Sure they will continue to sell here, but no point getting too worried about a declining market.

As other posters have said, FF gave the CC immunity (pretty much) on child abuse claims so there really is no need to spend too much time on it.

As I was watching the RTE discussion last night, and a few things struck me.

Ursula Halligan was going out about the CC not represented her and others in the LGBT community. Whilst I agree with her sentiment, I fail to understand why she even considers herself a catholic when the rules of the club have always stated that they don't want her. (this is nothing personal about Ursula but a more general point).

She stated that the CC doesn't represent her, ok, so I understand that that is hurtful but why continue to support it? Why continue to go to mass and listen to the sermons? Go find a religion that does represent you.

The CC know that they have, or at least had, a captive audience. That they could do almost whatever they liked and people were tied into the CC for life. The point being that the person has changed, or rather they lack of ability to simply accept, whilst the CC has largely stayed the same.

ELM327

elefant wrote: »

From the Pope, on board his plane out of Ireland, as per RTE news.

WTF?

Deny Deny Deny
Cover up Cover up Cover up

The church continues its everpresent method of dealing with anything.

Scum, the lot of them, including the 120,000 people in attendance

Discodog

elefant wrote: »

From the Pope, on board his plane out of Ireland, as per RTE news.

WTF?

I posted earlier that he was either ignorant, misinformed or a liar. He's a liar.

elefant

"I had never heard about those mothers, they called it the women's laundry, when an unmarried woman got pregnant, she went to the hospital or school, and the sisters ran those, and then they gave the child away for adoption to people."

From the Pope, on board his plane out of Ireland, as per RTE news.

WTF?

Dr Turk Turkelton

Edgware wrote: »

Terrible ****e. Looks like something plagiarised from Michael Ds early works

Yes,sh1t poem
Doesn't even rhyme
What a waste
Of my time

Mic drop

wexandproud

Edgware wrote: »

Terrible ****e. Looks like something plagiarised from Michael Ds early works

hard to imagine you could fit so much sh.te on one page

NIMAN

If those pictures are real, and taken at the time of the mass, rather than a few hours before or after, then I must admit that I am delighted too.

My faith has been restored in the Irish people. It can be seen that they planned X numbers of pens to hold X number of people, and the vast majority they were expecting couldn't be arsed to come.

Well done folks.

chalkitdown1

FFS

Seanspicerinauguration.jpg

Hitman3000

chalkitdown1 wrote:

This was the largest audience to ever witness an mass in Ireland.

So you never heard about JP 2 rocking the mic in 79. Over a mill dude, Frank barely managed 130k.

Peregrine

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

This was the largest audience to ever witness an mass in Ireland.

PERIOD!

No, it wasn't. Phoenix Park 1979 was.

Then Galway 1979.

This doesn't even come close. This was a massive flop. And they won't even beat this number again.

Edgware

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I couldnt make it. A friend shared Sarah Clancys poem. So powerful

Terrible ****e. Looks like something plagiarised from Michael Ds early works

Annasopra

eviltwin wrote: »

A wonderful event, great music, lovely people and personally very healing. It was the salve needed at the end of a difficult few weeks.

I couldnt make it. A friend shared Sarah Clancys poem. So powerful

*new verse for Sunday #Stand4Truth

Cherishing for Beginners

Cherish the meek
cherish the ranchers
cherish the guards
cherish the bankers
cherish the virgins
then ride them and cherish their sisters,
cherish tax exiles and entrepreneurs
cherish the rewards of intergenerational privilege
or if that's too hard for beginners
sure cherish the Rose of Tralee for starters,
cherish the goal and the point and the foul
cherish the priest's dirty sheets
but not the women who wash them,
don't mention her
or what she might need,
go on though and cherish the IFSC
and its type of laundries-
those ones are fine,
they are grand sure.
Cherish Them.

Cherish the pope and his
band of transglobal bootlickers
cherish the bishops
who moved paedophile priests
around like chess pieces
and were afflicted with severe mental reservations
every time child rape was mentioned
cherish the bureaucrats
who know that the institution always comes first
cherish the shame they implanted
on the whole population
then cherish the suicides
as collateral damage
in an otherwise virtuous struggle
cherish the high moral ground
they reached by tramping on
the graves of dead babies,
cherish the ring kissers
who made it all possible
sure give them a big round of applause
don't they deserve it

Cherish the men
because they couldn’t help it
if the women and girls went and fell pregnant,
cherish the foetus, the heartbeat,
but not the person it's in
then cherish the small graves
in their undisclosed wastelands
cherish the shovels
and boot soles that dug them-
let there be no doubt about it-
Yes We Can!
cherish the children
if they're from the right class
aren’t travelling people
and are not for god’s sake
seeking asylum,
don't forget too that we must
cherish the mute
and cherish the sheepish
but hate those in need,
worship Fr Peter McVerry himself,
go ahead make him an icon
but don’t listen to what he’s saying
about anything.

Cherish the poor
for how you can use them
to frighten those
who are just one rung above
cherish the people
who learned early and often
what happens to those
with big mouths,
cherish your local TDs,
and the crowd in Listowel
who didn't care that he raped her
sure wasn't he one of their own?
Yea cherish the rapist,
why don't you?

Cherish the golf course
and its sprinklers
sure Irish Water will save us
cherish piece work and internships,
and zero hour contracts
aren't you lucky you have a job at all?
Do you not remember the coffin ships
and are you not grateful?
Yea cherish your own exploitation
cherish the school board,
for our lack of gay teachers,
cherish women's place in the home
then cut their allowances,
sure they don’t deserve them
having all of those children
repeat after me- Cherish Privatisation;
and if you don't then you better learn
to cherish the knock on your door
in Jobstown in the morning.
Consider this a warning.

Cherish Dev and Pearse
and blood sacrifice
but don't mention James Connolly
who said until Ireland's women are free
none of us will be, most of all though
cherish outsourcing and remember
your call is important,
you too will be cherished equally
if you can afford it
as soon as an operator
becomes available
which may well take
another hundred years.

erica74

eviltwin wrote: »

A wonderful event, great music, lovely people and personally very healing. It was the salve needed at the end of a difficult few weeks.

It looked like a great event, although "great" seems like the wrong word given the circumstances. I hope you understand what I mean. It appears to have been of benefit, again, the wrong word, to many people. I'd like to think the numbers that turned out were comforting for victims who attended. I hope they feel that the majority stand with them and hopefully this papal circus will initiate a change in Ireland.

chalkitdown1

Muahahaha wrote: »

This was the largest audience to ever witness an mass in Ireland.

PERIOD!

Fighting Tao

eviltwin wrote: »

A wonderful event, great music, lovely people and personally very healing. It was the salve needed at the end of a difficult few weeks.

It was a wonderful event but I did find it extremely saddening at the same time. The way people were treated and abused is just wrong and should never have happened. As an Irish person I am ashamed that it happened in my country and that the organisation that perpetrated the crimes and covered them up was being celebrated by ~130k people in the Phoenix Park. ~130k people raising their caps to say we have no problem with the RCC. Faith can be practiced without providing validation to the RCC.

eviltwin

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

On the off chance that any of the organizers of the Stand 4 Truth event are reading this thread I would just like to say thank you. What a wonderful few hours spent with kind and compassionate people from all walks of life.

A wonderful event, great music, lovely people and personally very healing. It was the salve needed at the end of a difficult few weeks.

Sycamore Tree

Muahahaha wrote: »

Wow!

This pleases me.

Well done Ireland!

indioblack

Seth Brundle wrote: »

According to Herr Ratzinger when he was in charge you must attend mass amongst other things to be a member of the club.
Just because you identify as roman catholic doesn't make you one so why do you call yourself one if you aren't committed to it?

So true. That's part of the problem, certainly in Ireland. You can't pick and mix.

[Deleted User]

Edward M wrote: »

I'm a catholic, mostly no practicing, but I will attend services at times, funerals and masses for family members and such.
I still call myself catholic, that's my ethnicity I think, I maybe wrong, but if a document comes in, like the census, I will identify myself as being a catholic.

ethnicity!?

All My Stars Aligned

On the off chance that any of the organizers of the Stand 4 Truth event are reading this thread I would just like to say thank you. What a wonderful few hours spent with kind and compassionate people from all walks of life.

Seth Brundle

The gardai, medics, catering and other staff are making up most of that crowd

Muahahaha

Irish Kings

Edward M wrote: »

I'm a catholic, mostly no practicing, but I will attend services at times, funerals and masses for family members and such.
I still call myself catholic, that's my ethnicity I think, I maybe wrong, but if a document comes in, like the census, I will identify myself as being a catholic.

Why would a "Catholic" not want to pray and go to mass ?, what you actually mean is you have some sort of cultural catholic background, that's not what the census is asking though.

Seth Brundle

Edward M wrote: »

I'm a catholic, mostly no practicing, but I will attend services at times, funerals and masses for family members and such.
I still call myself catholic, that's my ethnicity I think, I maybe wrong, but if a document comes in, like the census, I will identify myself as being a catholic.

According to Herr Ratzinger when he was in charge you must attend mass amongst other things to be a member of the club.
Just because you identify as roman catholic doesn't make you one so why do you call yourself one if you aren't committed to it?

[Deleted User]

Try_harder wrote:

Gardai arent standing over that figure

Have you a link to that?

I haven't seen any tickets but I would have thought that like any gig or event that the tickets would be scanned on entry. I assumed this was how the Gardai released official numbers so quickly.

So the number could actually be less than 100,000? It looked about 85,000 to me going by 80,000 in Slane or 85,000 in Croke Park

Try_harder

Gardai arent standing over that figure

[Deleted User]

Joeytheparrot wrote:

130,000?

I hate to be petty but the Gardai actually said less than 130,000.