super_furry wrote: » Weird to see Irish people buy into this American ‘support the troops’ without ever questioning mentality. Handing a kid a gun and sending him off to a foreign country to shoot at brown people for no justifiable reason, does not a hero make.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Again that was the Government not the soldier, it's the soldier people are blaming which is wrong.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » A stooge propped up by the US. It wasn't their business. They were picking up where the French left off. Same imperial bull**** only under a different flag.
Dohnjoe wrote: » I saw an interview, as a nation they hold John Mccain personally responsible for the entire war on their country Does that satisfy your twisted world view?
Galwayguy35 wrote: » We would never have got our freedom if the likes of you were around 100 years ago, you make me sick criticizing people who put their lives on the line for their country.
FTA69 wrote: » Back then would you have been full of praise for the Black and Tans as honourable soldiers who served their country?
Irish Praetorian wrote: » An imperialist stooge which somehow managed to convince a million or so North Vietnamese that...
WanderlustIre wrote: » Are you not the Corkonian ex shinner living and working in England?
Junkyard Tom wrote: » CIA psyops.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » We've a stalker over here.
FTA69 wrote: » Yes. Although I don’t say Corkonian cos I’m not some popped-collar rugger type. I also fail to see the correlation between working in England and being a member of a paramilitary police force in Ireland in the 1920s.
badtoro wrote: » I had hoped after hearing that he stopped cancer treatment that he'd have enough time left to see that orange bastard sent to jail. Unfortunately not.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Well hardly seeing as they butchered members of my family. Also the Americans were there to help the south in Vietnam So a rather silly comparison with those Brit butchers.
FTA69 wrote: » The Americans were there to secure their geopolitical interests and to prop up a puppet state dictatorship that they helped establish. The Viet Cong were the south Vietnamese people in uprising against that state and were slaughtered by the Americans in their hundreds of thousands. It's actually an excellent comparison, both the IRA and the Viet Minh/Cong were incarnations of a global anti-imperialist wave against the colonial powers. Also your family has nothing to do with it, McCain butchered Vietnamese families as well like. You said McCain was a hero because he fought for his country, surely that also applies to the British soldiers and police who fought in Ireland as they were obeying the orders of king and country?
(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today released newly obtained internal IRS documents, including material revealing that Sen. John McCain’s former staff director and chief counsel on the Senate Homeland Security Permanent Subcommittee, Henry Kerner, urged top IRS officials, including then-director of exempt organizations Lois Lerner, to “audit so many that it becomes financially ruinous.” Kerner was appointed by President Trump as Special Counsel for the United States Office of Special Counsel. The explosive exchange was contained in notes taken by IRS employees at an April 30, 2013, meeting between Kerner, Lerner, and other high-ranking IRS officials. Just ten days following the meeting, former IRS director of exempt organizations Lois Lerner admitted that the IRS had a policy of improperly and deliberately delaying applications for tax-exempt status from conservative non-profit groups. Lerner and other IRS officials met with select top staffers from the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee in a “marathon” meeting to discuss concerns raised by both Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) that the IRS was not reining in political advocacy groups in response to the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision. Senator McCain had been the chief sponsor of the McCain-Feingold Act and called the Citizens United decision, which overturned portions of the Act, one of the “worst decisions I have ever seen.” source
It took many years to resolve. But I am delighted to report that we have just obtained a resounding victory in our legal challenge to the IRS’s political targeting of conservative organizations. In an unprecedented victorious conclusion to our four year-long legal battle against the IRS, the bureaucratic agency has just admitted in federal court that it wrongfully targeted Tea Party and conservative groups during the Obama administration because of their political viewpoints and issued an apology to our clients for doing so. In addition, the IRS is consenting to a court order that would prohibit it from ever engaging in this form of unconstitutional discrimination in the future.source
FTA69 wrote: » Galwayguy35 wrote: » Well hardly seeing as they butchered members of my family. Also the Americans were there to help the south in Vietnam So a rather silly comparison with those Brit butchers. The Americans were there to secure their geopolitical interests and to prop up a puppet state dictatorship that they helped establish. The Viet Cong were the south Vietnamese people in uprising against that state and were slaughtered by the Americans in their hundreds of thousands. It's actually an excellent comparison, both the IRA and the Viet Minh/Cong were incarnations of a global anti-imperialist wave against the colonial powers. Also your family has nothing to do with it, McCain butchered Vietnamese families as well like. You said McCain was a hero because he fought for his country, surely that also applies to the British soldiers and police who fought in Ireland as they were obeying the orders of king and country?
Deleted User wrote: » It's remarkable.. All you have to do is criticise a hated a man and you have the world defending a war that was undefendable for decades. "Blame the government, not the soldier." - He became the government and followed the same moral compass as those who sent him to Vietnam. The only thing this man has done since running against Obama is criticise Trump, and look at the accolades that has earned him after a horrible career that any non-"American gun-toting patriot" should be critical of. I just wish people had the balls to admit that they only like him because of Trump, instead of changing the Vietnam war into a noble endeavour.
Irish Praetorian wrote: » I can't speak for what anyone else's views are on McCain, I'm only speaking here against a pet peeve of mine; the un-nuanced condemnation of the US. In the present day I find more and more of my peers lapsing into this lazy vision of world history which usually starts at the US being bad and works its way backwards from there. It's an asinine view of world affairs and I'm inclined to challenge it where I can.
Deleted User wrote: » In another post here, you explained the impetus of the Vietnam war by saying that the North Vietnamese invaded a US ally simply because "they couldn't handle losing a million odd of their own population fleeing to the South to escape their tyrannical regime." That was in response to a sarcastic post about Vietnam attacking New York, thus the war being justified. So I wouldn't rush to denounce others' lazy versions of world history. While I agree that many have a "US bad" view on everything, you have a "Communism bad US good" view which isn't much better.
Irish Praetorian wrote: » That sarcastic post was exactly the kind of lazy vision I was talking about. From that post one might ascribe the clapped out narrative of the US being in Vietnam for the purpose of just being evil for evil's sake. I would also disagree with your characterization of my view on history; my posts demonstrate quite amply I've no problem criticising US conduct and policy throughout history - simply refuse the simplistic 'good v bad' vision others proffer.
Deleted User wrote: » I disagree that that sort of post has a lazy vision of history. People who are anti-war, and especially anti proxy wars such as Vietnam, can easily point to the fact that the US is the aggressor in every one of these "conflicts" since their homeland is never attacked. You can't really expect someone to put a lot of effort into such a simple argument, so sarcasm such as New York being attacked is sufficient. If it is lazy to be of the opinion that the US had no business being in Vietnam, that would suggest that there was some legitimate reason for them being there. Few believe that "defeating communism" or "the North attacked a US ally" justify what happened. Believing it's a serious black mark on their history isn't being "anti US" either.
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