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Should we protest against the pope's visit?

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I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

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Discodog

The Kop wrote: »

And yet you probably voted for the murder of unborn kids....

Nope I voted against the ongoing persecution of women

WinnyThePoo

The Kop wrote: »

Discodog wrote: »

I am not surprised. The people aren't going to let thousands of abused kids stop them from having a nice day out.

Their spirits will get a little dampened tomorrow morning. The attitude of the masses explains how the whole thing happened in the first place.

And yet you probably voted for the murder of unborn kids....

Get over it

The Kop

Discodog wrote: »

I am not surprised. The people aren't going to let thousands of abused kids stop them from having a nice day out.

Their spirits will get a little dampened tomorrow morning. The attitude of the masses explains how the whole thing happened in the first place.

And yet you probably voted for the murder of unborn kids....

Discodog

Varadkar's Speech

“In place of Christian charity, forgiveness and compassion, far too often there was judgement, severity and cruelty, in particular towards women and children and those on the margins.

“Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions and clerical child abuse are stains on our State, our society and also the Catholic Church.

“Wounds are still open and there is much to be done to bring about justice and truth and healing for victims and survivors.

“Holy Father, I ask that you use your office and influence to ensure this is done here in Ireland and across the world.“In place of Christian charity, forgiveness and compassion, far too often there was judgement, severity and cruelty, in particular towards women and children and those on the margins.

“Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions and clerical child abuse are stains on our State, our society and also the Catholic Church.

“Wounds are still open and there is much to be done to bring about justice and truth and healing for victims and survivors.

“Holy Father, I ask that you use your office and influence to ensure this is done here in Ireland and across the world.

“In recent weeks, we have all listened to heart-breaking stories from Pennsylvania of brutal crimes perpetrated by people within the Catholic Church, and then obscured to protect the institution at the expense of innocent victims.

“It is a story all too tragically familiar here in Ireland.

“There can only be zero tolerance for those who abuse innocent children or who facilitate that abuse.

“We must now ensure that from words flow actions. Above all, Holy Father, I ask to you to listen to the victims.”

He should of added Do you think that I am "intrinsically disordered" ?

Sycamore Tree

I heard Leo delivered a great speech. Did anyone hear it?

The PR for the Roman organisation is so poor this week, I wish the pope would come more often.

Discodog

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Great crowds out to see the pope.

I am not surprised. The people aren't going to let thousands of abused kids stop them from having a nice day out.

Their spirits will get a little dampened tomorrow morning. The attitude of the masses explains how the whole thing happened in the first place.

Hitman3000

They didn't clamp down on mine, I still have 40. Someone telling porkies methinks.

Beechwoodspark

Great crowds out to see the pope.

WinnyThePoo

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Nonsense, I ordered a few batches to makey uppy names and they all came through. They didn't sell out, the window offering them closed without them teaching their expected targets

Whatever. I’d say the RCC are in awe of how much of a rebel you are.

Probably angry they didn't get him young.

RustyNut

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Seth Brundle wrote: »

How can they clamp down on the protest bookings?

What’s this. 20 questions??

Ask them. I havnt a clue. I’m only telling you what they said.

Oh they say more than their payers now.

Beechwoodspark

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Nonsense, I ordered a few batches to makey uppy names and they all came through. They didn't sell out, the window offering them closed without them teaching their expected targets

Whatever. I’d say the RCC are in awe of how much of a rebel you are.

The high horse brigade

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The organisers said a day or two after the media reported about protest bookings that they were on top of the issue and had clamped down on such bookings - and that it was over hyped by the media.

Nonsense, I ordered a few batches to makey uppy names and they all came through. They didn't sell out, the window offering them closed without them teaching their expected targets

Beechwoodspark

Seth Brundle wrote: »

How can they clamp down on the protest bookings?

What’s this. 20 questions??

Ask them. I havnt a clue. I’m only telling you what they said.

Seth Brundle

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The organisers said a day or two after the media reported about protest bookings that they were on top of the issue and had clamped down on such bookings - and that it was over hyped by the media.

How can they clamp down on the protest bookings?

Beechwoodspark

The high horse brigade wrote: »

How do they know? There's lots of protest bookings of tickets.

The organisers said a day or two after the media reported about protest bookings that they were on top of the issue and had clamped down on such bookings - and that it was over hyped by the media.

The high horse brigade

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Streets are packed and so is croke Park and apparently 500k (some sources say 600k) are to attend mass tomorrow. Oh and 45 k will attend the knock event.

How do they know? There's lots of protest bookings of tickets.

Dravokivich

super_furry wrote: »

Well looking at the pathetic turnout for the pope, I'm not sure a protest is needed. Ignore them and they'll continue to go away.

The crowds he interacted with all had wristbands. I expect the numbers were controlled.

Beechwoodspark

super_furry wrote: »

Well looking at the pathetic turnout for the pope, I'm not sure a protest is needed. Ignore them and they'll continue to go away.

Streets are packed and so is croke Park and apparently 500k (some sources say 600k) are to attend mass tomorrow. Oh and 45 k will attend the knock event.

super_furry

Well looking at the pathetic turnout for the pope, I'm not sure a protest is needed. Ignore them and they'll continue to go away.

Beechwoodspark

Muahahaha wrote: »

I would imagine thats the kind of stuff that the Irish Catholic Churchs long serving solicitors Arthur Cox would sort out for them. Real bang of the Knight of Columbanus in that firm who mange thousands of properties on behalf of the Church. You could just imagine the phone call to Lloyds of London, "What?! How many children? Im just putting you on hold...."

Anyway a poem by Roddy McDevitt

A Prayer For The Pope on His Arrival In Ireland

As you munch the tarmac At Dublin Airport
Arse in the air
May you be shafted
Then and there
By a rampant pink bear
One cassock-slashing
Pelvis-cracking thrust
For every child your church tore to shreds
Reduced to quivering dread
Or left for dead…

May you be thrown back
On your plane
And flown to The Hague
To face trial for the plague
Of vicious misery
You inflicted on your flock
With evasions so vague…

Get in the dock Pops
Swear on the bible
The truth the whole truth
And nothing but the truth
So you and your paedophile
Stormtroopers at last
Face your victims
To confess to aplogise
To compensate and exorcise
The demons of your disgrace
Before being dragged to the cells
And left to rot in your Rome-made hells

Roddy McDevitt

What rubbish.

Muahahaha

NIMAN wrote: »

I am wondering how you call an insurance company and ask for a policy to cover you for abusing and raping kids

I would imagine thats the kind of stuff that the Irish Catholic Churchs long serving solicitors Arthur Cox would sort out for them. Real bang of the Knight of Columbanus in that firm who mange thousands of properties on behalf of the Church. You could just imagine the phone call to Lloyds of London, "What?! How many children? Im just putting you on hold...."

Anyway a poem by Roddy McDevitt

A Prayer For The Pope on His Arrival In Ireland

As you munch the tarmac At Dublin Airport
Arse in the air
May you be shafted
Then and there
By a rampant pink bear
One cassock-slashing
Pelvis-cracking thrust
For every child your church tore to shreds
Reduced to quivering dread
Or left for dead…

May you be thrown back
On your plane
And flown to The Hague
To face trial for the plague
Of vicious misery
You inflicted on your flock
With evasions so vague…

Get in the dock Pops
Swear on the bible
The truth the whole truth
And nothing but the truth
So you and your paedophile
Stormtroopers at last
Face your victims
To confess to aplogise
To compensate and exorcise
The demons of your disgrace
Before being dragged to the cells
And left to rot in your Rome-made hells

Roddy McDevitt

Hitman3000

Deleted User wrote:

So, in order words, your accusation was baseless and you won't retract it.

No it has a basis, your opinion is however that it doesn't.

Sycamore Tree

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I object to simply targeting the Church as if they were solely responsible for what happened. And I object to protesting the Popes visit because it's simply pissing on the day for Catholics who are in no way responsible for what happened.

So when Brendan Smyth was raping children who, appart from Brendan Smyth and the members of the catholic church management who helped him access more victims and evade justice, do you see as responsible?

Brendan Smyth went on to rape and abuse 200+ children AFTER he was found guilty by the internal church inquiry.

The children were silenced and the parents were never told but he went on with no restrictions for near 20 years.

Auguste Comte

Deleted User wrote: »

I object to simply targeting the Church as if they were solely responsible for what happened. And I object to protesting the Popes visit because it's simply pissing on the day for Catholics who are in no way responsible for what happened.

So when Brendan Smyth was raping children who, appart from Brendan Smyth and the members of the catholic church management who helped him access more victims and evade justice, do you see as responsible?

[Deleted User]

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I won't quote the rest of your post but the contradictions are glaring. I have no interest in looking at your posting history I respond only to whats on the thread I'm following. The Church is in the limelight because they hold the majority of responsibility and their leader is here on a jolly.

So, in order words, your accusation was baseless and you won't retract it.

Hitman3000

Deleted User wrote:

Now, hold on a second. You're welcome to trawl through my entire history of posting on boards to find any example of me seeking to lessen the blame "on the church". Go ahead. Shouldn't be difficult to find.

I won't quote the rest of your post but the contradictions are glaring. I have no interest in looking at your posting history I respond only to whats on the thread I'm following. The Church is in the limelight because they hold the majority of responsibility and their leader is here on a jolly.

[Deleted User]

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Well who do you think is responsible, why doesn't the church open their files and cooperate with the state and bring all responsible to justice. You and others keep blaming different organs of the state to lessen the blame on the church.

Now, hold on a second. You're welcome to trawl through my entire history of posting on boards to find any example of me seeking to lessen the blame "on the church". Go ahead. Shouldn't be difficult to find.

Even within my posts within the last two pages, you won't find me trying to diminish the responsibility of the Church. So... where do you get this accusation from?

Here's where I stand. The Church is responsible. The State was responsible. That there were members of both Church and State who knew about the abuse and covered it up. There were also members of communities who did the same.

I object to simply targeting the Church as if they were solely responsible for what happened. And I object to protesting the Popes visit because it's simply pissing on the day for Catholics who are in no way responsible for what happened.

Hitman3000

Deleted User wrote:

Nope. Not surprised. Just annoyed by these claims that this isn't an anti-catholic focus. There isn't any real effort to find those responsible beyond the members of the Catholic Church who were involved.

Well who do you think is responsible, why doesn't the church open their files and cooperate with the state and bring all responsible to justice. You and others keep blaming different organs of the state to lessen the blame on the church. Bishop Brady swore to young children to secrecy about the abuse they suffered at the hands of Brendan Smith. Instead of calling damnation down upon them if they spoke why didn't he denounce Smith? Instead he said nothing and Smith was allowed continue his abuse and destruction of young lives. Brady refused to resign when his abhorrent behaviour became public knowledge the Vatican did not seek his resignation either. Do you think this is the actions of a contrite organisation.

[Deleted User]

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Well the big event happening this weekend concerns the Catholic Church so yeah the church's role and participation in child rape and abuse including subsequent cover up and obstruction is front and centre. You surprised?

Nope. Not surprised. Just annoyed by these claims that this isn't an anti-catholic focus. There isn't any real effort to find those responsible beyond the members of the Catholic Church who were involved.

Hitman3000

Donald Trump wrote:

That the limitation of your sympathy for victims does not extend beyond the limits of the Catholic Church is intriguing to me.

Actually I 'm staying on topic with the thread title

Donald Trump wrote:

You want place blame only on some fella from South America who was born over there and lived the vast majority of his life over there, for crimes committed in Ireland.

He attracts the blame as he holds full authority for the organisation he represents.Where he was born is irrelevant, his actions ( lack of) and speeches to-date do him no favours

Donald Trump wrote:

Yet you don't want to comment on the failings of the guard in the local community who had the power and the authority to investigate and charge any perpetrators of abuse.

Again I'll stick to the thread topic start one yourself about the guards if you wish.

Donald Trump wrote:

You won't have any questions asked of the local school teacher or social worker who might have suspected, or been told, what was going on

Subject for another thread if you wish

Donald Trump wrote:

I would like to see the truth outed. All involved need to identified and held accountable. I am not aware of any report or admission from the Gardai on this. Smacks of a cover up. And the absence of any report shows that the cover up is still going on. Which would imply they are all paedo-protectors. By the same logic implied that Catholics are supporting paedophiles, all supporters of the Gardai would be supporting paedophiles. Why do you refuse to address this apparent inconsistency. Your responses on the topic remind me of 1990's Nordie political speech.

You are accusing me of an inconsistency I have not engaged in as I have not diverged from the threads topic despite your attempts to try and bait me into doing so.