Pauliedragon wrote: » 2.The chances of catching a disease are very remote. You have just as much chance catching a virus from opening a door at work.
3. Most drug addicted people aren't on welfare as they have been completely wiped off the system.
4. It's not wasting the ambulance time, they are on call and it's their job to respond to 999 calls and the last time I had an epileptic seizure in the middle of the city I was 2 minutes from dying. The only reason I didn't was because another gentleman recognised it was a genuine medical emergency when all the people around me assumed I was a "junkie"
Pauliedragon wrote: » Are we that far gone as a society that we leave people lying on the ground with no help? Would you stop and help or just walk past?
Stephen15 wrote: » The chances of catching a disease from direct skin on skin contact are a lot higher I would imagine not to mention the potential for contact with bodily fluids. What I would be most worried about though is the potential for a potential needle stick injury which would be quite likely when in contact with a junkie. I would also be worried about the potential for the person to become aggressive and potentially assault or threaten me especially if it's a junkie Many are on the state sponsored methadone scheme. Also many are claiming disability. I use public transport regularly and see knackery types and junkies getting on buses, trains and trams using free travel passes so they are getting something courtesy of the taxpayer. It is wasting ambulance time. Ordinary decent people like me and you who pay our taxes and work hard for a living are being deprived of an ambulance in our hour of need because of junkies who choose to put a needle in their arm. As I said I think I could recognise the difference between someone who is genuinely in need judging by their appearance and dress whom I would help versus someone who is a off their face on drugs.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » So much nastiness in that post, I'm 99% sure I'd be banned if I gave it the response it deserves. Anyway, a suited and 'respectable' person who collapses on the street might, for all I know, be an arsehole or a tax-dodger, or (heaven forfend) perhaps they made some poor dietary choices that led to their medical predicament. Would still do whatever I could to help, because it's not up to me to make a moral judgement on whether or not someone is sufficiently 'deserving' of medical treatment.
freshpopcorn wrote: » If you have issues with a post report it and a moderator will see what they can do.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » Does his post break any rules? I mean, I don't think it does.
freshpopcorn wrote: » Some of what you've dont would be considered back seat moderating.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » I don't see how finding an opinion abhorrent and ignorant (but not outside of the rules) could be considered back seat moderating. To be honest, I'm a little surprised that you would think that, what with you being an actual moderator 'n all.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » I'm 99% sure I'd be banned if I gave it the response it deserves.
freshpopcorn wrote: » I took issue with this part of your post. If you think a poster should be banned please report them.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » I... um... don't think a poster should be banned. Nor do I understand why you might think that I think that. It's quite late.
stevek93 wrote: » I had a friend once at at bus stop who took a epileptic seizure everyone thought he overdosed on drugs he was lying on ground shaking and whole bus stop ignored him..
corner of hells wrote: » Sue you for what ?
Donald Trump wrote: » Unfortunately the only solution might be juveniles in China/Japan/Korea/India etc
Pauliedragon wrote: » 2. The chances of catching a disease are very remote. You have just as much chance catching a virus from opening a door at work."
Pauliedragon wrote: » 3. Most drug addicted people aren't on welfare as they have been completely wiped off the system."
Pauliedragon wrote: » 4. It's not wasting the ambulance time, they are on call and it's their job to respond to 999 calls and the last time I had an epileptic seizure in the middle of the city I was 2 minutes from dying. The only reason I didn't was because another gentleman recognised it was a genuine medical emergency when all the people around me assumed I was a "junkie"
sbsquarepants wrote: » Donald Trump wrote: » Unfortunately the only solution might be juveniles in China/Japan/Korea/India etc I have no idea what this means?
Pauliedragon wrote: » I was in the middle of the city today and I saw a bloke stumbling/falling all over the floor. A lady was trying to help him up but he was all over the place. I helped her out to move him to the nearest steps so he could sit down and gather himself. Long story short I noticed everybody walked past the poor bloke with no intention of helping him. Are we that far gone as a society that we leave people lying on the ground with no help? Would you stop and help or just walk past?
CrankyHaus wrote: » Anything. It doesn't matter if there's no merit to it. They can still take any claptrap far enough to cause hassle for you, and potential expense defending yourself. It's for that reason that many doctors are unwilling to help people in trouble in public, or don't leave a name if they do. I know of one who saved a traveller's life when he passed him in a bad way and intervened. Cue allegations of misconduct in his actions that went all the way that a medical review board. Obviously the man he saved was looking for sone free money. Junkies are likely to be the same as they always need more money for drugs.
Donald Trump wrote: » You had a friend once at a bus stop? Did you not get their contact details? Could have made a longer term friend
Stephen15 wrote: » The chances of catching a disease from direct skin on skin contact are a lot higher I would imagine not to mention the potential for contact with bodily fluids. What I would be most worried about though is the potential for a potential needle stick injury which would be quite likely when in contact with a junkie. I would also be worried about the potential for the person to become aggressive and potentially assault or threaten me especially if it's a junkie Many are on the state sponsored methadone scheme. Also many are claiming disability. I use public transport regularly and see rougher types types and junkies getting on buses, trains and trams using free travel passes so they are getting something courtesy of the taxpayer. It is wasting ambulance time. Ordinary decent people like me and you who pay our taxes and work hard for a living are being deprived of an ambulance in our hour of need because of junkies who choose to put a needle in their arm. As I said I think I could recognise the difference between someone who is genuinely in need judging by their appearance and dress whom I would help versus someone who is a off their face on drugs.
corner of hells wrote: » Ireland has a " Good Samaritan " law , you're quite safe from legal action unless it's gross negligence.In fact it's extremely unlikely that traveller even got remotely entertained at any level A medical review board is related to welfare claims . I wonder if you are thinking of the medical council ?
CrankyHaus wrote: » I'm not a doctor, I didn't use the precise name of the review body as I don't know it. I used a generic term for a body that would review medical complaints. Protected unless it's gross negligence? So the person just says it's gross negligence and until it's disproven you have it hanging over you. Junkies can also just say you were assaulting them, sexually assaulting them, trying to rob them. Regardless of the merit of their accusation the best case scenario for you is lots of hassle. Long story short, helping them unless it's your job is a mugs game.
Donald Trump wrote: » Youth in Asia
robindch wrote: » It's called the Bystander Effect and it's a well-established phenomenon. One can certainly discuss why the Bystander Efffect happens, but making a simplistic diagnosis of a society "far gone" is silly.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect Aside from that, well, nobody knows how that guy got there, nor what caused it, nor what he's on, nor the likely reaction to somebody invading his personal space. Best call the emergency services and leave trained professionals deal with him.
