padd b1975 wrote: » I've no reason to believe he was lying. It's just Mannix doing what Mannix does best-talking about himself and his miserable life. It does get a tad monotonous after a while. After all, he's no stranger to the airwaves given half a chance.
padd b1975 wrote: » Nobody takes Mannix seriously in fairness. He's the Mattie McGrath of the loony left.
padd b1975 wrote: » You're right, it is very relevant at the moment. Isn't every lad that the parish priest winked at forty years ago getting in on the act. Speaking of which, I see O'Gorman managed to blag himself a spot on UK breakfast TV this morning, same old, same old in case you missed it. Although he did sound a bit under the weather, I'm sure he'll be ok for the weekend though.
Hitman3000 wrote: » Talking about what happened to him at the hands of the clergy is very relevant at the moment. You on the other hand are a disgrace for your comments. Here's a word for you 'empathy' look it up.
padd b1975 wrote: » I'm happy for a small portion of my taxes to go towards the security of all three, particularly the head's of state of the US and Britain-two countries who do a massive amount of business with and in Ireland.
padd b1975 wrote: It's just Mannix doing what Mannix does best-talking about himself and his miserable life.
gmisk wrote: » How very christian of you. RE the cost...32 million euro for 32 hours....wow. The state paying at least 10-20 million of that. Also lets be honest giving the estimates of costs for other visits this is going to balloon big time. "Security costs alone for the visit of Queen Elizabeth II and US president Barack Obama soared to €36 million, despite initial projections they would run to about €20 million".
Irish Kings wrote: » Do the guards and lamppost maintenance not have to be paid for week in week out anyway all year round ? So this is a ridiculous argument. What the guards should be doing is ask the Pope to come in for questioning to see what he knows about the conspiracy to pervert the course of justice regarding clerical sexual abuse in Ireland. But the Irish authorities are doing NOTHING, no enforcement of the criminal justice system. And no one asking the State and politicians why are they not doing THEIR JOB
An_Toirpin wrote: » Hotblack Desiato wrote: » There are 4,022 people in prison custody in Ireland (01 August 2018). The average number of females in custody was 144 in 2017, a 2.9% increase on the 2016 average of 140. So that's approx 3,880 men which is a long way away from 10,000. Source - Irish Penal Reform Trust You're talking through your hoop to be honest. I referred to committals not that live figure on any particular date. It is the total number admitted in that year. Many peoples' sentences are shorter than one year so committals is a lot more than the live figure. 10,731 males in 2013.https://www.irishprisons.ie/information-centre/statistics-information/ Now that figure I quoted for 1950 might be committals or the live number on a particular date. But it is not accessible to me. But the broader point remains that modern Ireland has a vastly higher incarceration than in 1950, we could even say mass incarceration. Either people in 1950 1/10-1/20 of the crime, had a vastly different culture of sentencing or most likely had lower conviction rates. I make this look too easy.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » There are 4,022 people in prison custody in Ireland (01 August 2018). The average number of females in custody was 144 in 2017, a 2.9% increase on the 2016 average of 140. So that's approx 3,880 men which is a long way away from 10,000. Source - Irish Penal Reform Trust You're talking through your hoop to be honest.
padd b1975 wrote: » It's just Mannix doing what Mannix does best-talking about himself and his miserable life.
Irish Kings wrote: » What the guards should be doing is ask the Pope to come in for questioning to see what he knows about the conspiracy to pervert the course of justice regarding clerical sexual abuse in Ireland. But the Irish authorities are doing NOTHING, no enforcement of the criminal justice system. And no one asking the State and politicians why are they not doing THEIR JOB
Hitman3000 wrote: » Are you suggesting he is lying about the abuse he suffered?
RobbingBandit wrote: » Would love to see just how much is being spent painting the lampposts in city centre near the pro cathedral how much businesses will lose on lost productivity due to traffic restrictions on Saturday in city centre and how much has been tossed at the security detail for this idiocy. I'd guess there will be protests when the money spent on this is revealed in the near future.
Rivka Flat Handgun wrote: » Probably no more than when the Queen of our former oppressors was here.
work wrote: » I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are: 1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny 2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie. 3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse 4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education. 5) Anyone that doesn't support cults 6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society. 7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies. 8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men. There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome. Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?
Seth Brundle wrote: » In fairness most of the cost of Frank's visit is down to managing the expected large number of people.
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P_1 wrote: » I might get slated here from some who are also opposed to this visit but in my eyes Martin is doing a sterling job here. I cant imagine the struggle hes facing among the Vatican high ups trying to make them see sense
Fighting Tao wrote: » And people wonder why the vast majority haven’t reported it. 1in4 reported yesterday that first time contacts from victims to the charity went up from 30 per week to 100 per week. It’s shocking at the scale of abuse. 30 per week is 1560 new reports every year. If it remains at 100 per week it’s 5200!
Omar Orange Ignoramus wrote: » Straight from the horse's mouth in the press today: ARCHBISHOP Diarmuid Martin has said the number of children abused by priests here is “immense” and called for an easier judicial system for victims giving evidence in court. Speaking on the second day of the World Meeting of Families, Martin said the number of prosecutions of clerical abuse is “very low”. Without being a maths wizard, 'immense vs verylow' - equates to something being 'not quite right' with the church, either now or in the past. Here, there, and everywhere.
erica74 wrote: » That is absolutely and utterly awful and must have been terrifying for all of them.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Is that an attempt at a joke? If so it’s horrendous. While I’m not a fan of Mannix as a politician, he was telling what happened him while he was in industrial school. The rape that occurred, how anyone that reported the abuse got raped even more to teach them a lesson, how he lost friends to suicide because of it, and how it affected his family life with his mother who remained a person of faith. If you think that’s funny then you are seriously fcuked up in the head.
padd b1975 wrote: Nobody takes Mannix seriously in fairness.
