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Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

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New thread ladsðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜Š Any update on injuries for this weekends game?

Mod edit: Given how the last thread descended into chaos, we are going to leave that closed and start afresh

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Deisegodeo

deiseach wrote: »

Is this official?

The way I heard it was we would play 1 of Clare or limerick in thurles and 1 in cork. As we play tipp in thurles next year we can't have 3 games at the same venue.

Unless of course we play our home games in nowlan park

deiseach

#fraheroreffoff

cul beag

puzl wrote: »

I've said it all along that I'd be happy with someone from completely outside Waterford hurling circles to get the job IF at least one of Dan and Eoin stayed on. The unity this team has can't be bought and takes a while to develop and a transition to a new management philosophy would be helped by some kind of continuity.

Matty Kenny, Dan and Eoin would be a very good result for me but it needs to happen soon.
The other thing that needs to be done is April club month needs to be completely skipped like so many counties did this year. You need to be off the blocks in top form and ready to square away a couple of points from the first two games. This year we have Cork and Tipp away, and Clare and Limerick in Thurles. That's three 2017 semi finalists to get points from and we really can't be facing into may again with rake of injuries. We need to be ready to shock and awe Munster like limerick and Clare did this year.

What? The clubs are on their knees as it is and you want to push them even further down the pecking order. As regards the 2 selectors, unless they’re going to change from being nodding donkeys then they’re no use. As I stated previously, the old pals act has to be broken up sooner rather than later in the squad and give the younger fellows a fair and proper chance. It’s funny that the players representing the panel in the discussions are the ones with most to lose so easily known they want the same process again.

Motivator

cul beag wrote: »

What? The clubs are on their knees as it is and you want to push them even further down the pecking order. As regards the 2 selectors, unless they’re going to change from being nodding donkeys then they’re no use. As I stated previously, the old pals act has to be broken up sooner rather than later in the squad and give the younger fellows a fair and proper chance. It’s funny that the players representing the panel in the discussions are the ones with most to lose so easily known they want the same process again.

Whoever comes in I’d say Dan’s time is limited. An outside manager unfamiliar with him probably won’t put up with Dan’s behaviour.

I’m not having a dig at Dan, I love the way he is at games. The inter county scene has become very sanitised and it’s great to see passion on the line. Whoever the new manager is will more than likely try to contain it and I’m not sure you could have Dan involved and on his best behaviour. He’s mad but he’s brilliant and gets everyone geed up. He winds every opposition team up as well which is brilliant to hear in the stand.

mickotallow

cul beag wrote: »

What? The clubs are on their knees as it is and you want to push them even further down the pecking order. As regards the 2 selectors, unless they’re going to change from being nodding donkeys then they’re no use. As I stated previously, the old pals act has to be broken up sooner rather than later in the squad and give the younger fellows a fair and proper chance. It’s funny that the players representing the panel in the discussions are the ones with most to lose so easily known they want the same process again.

Couldn’t agree more. Why is everyone’s solution to a bad Championship to blame the club scene and take away even more club game time. If anything we should be looking to strengthen the club scene so younger players can come through. But you can see from the attitude of some players who headed to the states the moment Waterford finished exactly what they think of playing for the clubs.
The injuries to O’Mahony and Gleeson didn’t happen in the April club month. They happened in a challenge match against Dublin if I’m correct.
As for players having a say on who the next manager is. This is a dangerous precedent. Who’s to say these players who are looking to make decisions will be starting next year. And if not will they then rise up against the manager if they’re not happy. We need a strong man to come in to tell the players how he’s going to do it. Players will row in or they won’t play. We’re too serious and intense over the last few years. As Shane Dowling has said in his interviews, Limerick brought the fun element back into playing hurling and they reaped the benefits. Time to stop getting hung up on personalities and systems. Find your best players and let them play.

mountgomery burns

mickotallow wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more. Why is everyone’s solution to a bad Championship to blame the club scene and take away even more club game time. If anything we should be looking to strengthen the club scene so younger players can come through. But you can see from the attitude of some players who headed to the states the moment Waterford finished exactly what they think of playing for the clubs.
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That now I think is more than unfair. Nobody, inter county or club is owned by their team. They are entitled to go away and enjoy themselves. The structure has always been unfair on club players, but what about the number of games county players are asked to play now in a short space of time?

I don't for a sec think not playing club games in April is the solution to anything, but the above comment does a disservice to those that went.

cul beag

mountgomery burns wrote: »

That now I think is more than unfair. Nobody, inter county or club is owned by their team. They are entitled to go away and enjoy themselves. The structure has always been unfair on club players, but what about the number of games county players are asked to play now in a short space of time?

I don't for a sec think not playing club games in April is the solution to anything, but the above comment does a disservice to those that went.

No not necessarily. It’s the clubs that put the work in with all their players from a young age up. These clubs are soon forgotten about by these fellas when the dollar signs are waved in front of them. If the rest of the club players decided to head off for the summer months where would we be then? We are being dictated(clubs) to by an elite group of players/management/county board and as a result some clubs are on their knees. Did you listen to Tommy Walsh on Newstalk? He reckons there won’t be a club scene in 10 yrs if something isn’t done. We all love the great days out for the Munster championship but if the foundation for all these days out is neglected then we won’t be having too many more successful ones.

deisedude

cul beag wrote: »

No not necessarily. It’s the clubs that put the work in with all their players from a young age up. These clubs are soon forgotten about by these fellas when the dollar signs are waved in front of them. If the rest of the club players decided to head off for the summer months where would we be then? We are being dictated(clubs) to by an elite group of players/management/county board and as a result some clubs are on their knees. Did you listen to Tommy Walsh on Newstalk? He reckons there won’t be a club scene in 10 yrs if something isn’t done. We all love the great days out for the Munster championship but if the foundation for all these days out is neglected then we won’t be having too many more successful ones.

Its a hobby at the end of the day and I think it is ridiculous to expect young lads to wait around all summer for the odd club match organised on a whim by the county board with a weeks notice.

I wouldn't blame anyone going over to the states and taking the money for playing and working for the summer.

I don't necessarily agree with the GAA turning a blind eye to clubs in America paying players but that's for the GAA to sort out

mickotallow

mountgomery burns wrote: »

That now I think is more than unfair. Nobody, inter county or club is owned by their team. They are entitled to go away and enjoy themselves. The structure has always been unfair on club players, but what about the number of games county players are asked to play now in a short space of time?

I don't for a sec think not playing club games in April is the solution to anything, but the above comment does a disservice to those that went.

I don't think I was unfair. By all means young lads are entitled to travel the world and enjoy themselves. But why don't they do it while playing for Waterford. No they'll wait until Waterford are finished and then leave the club that looked after them high and dry and their teammates who have trained all year without them to play their biggest matches of the year without their star players. Tom Devine should be the example. He announced he was taking time out to travel and did so when suited him and not until inter county was over.
What about the club players who also have to play the same number of games in a short period after being idle for so long. The idea of putting aside April to play club games is not ideal but at least club players know when they will play. My response was to the original post who claimed playing club games in April was in some way responsible for Waterford's poor championship.

mickotallow

deisedude wrote: »

Its a hobby at the end of the day and I think it is ridiculous to expect young lads to wait around all summer for the odd club match organised on a whim by the county board with a weeks notice.

I wouldn't blame anyone going over to the states and taking the money for playing and working for the summer.

I don't necessarily agree with the GAA turning a blind eye to clubs in America paying players but that's for the GAA to sort out

There's a lot of money floating around for a hobby. If these lads weren't high profile GAA players they wouldn't be offered big money to play and "work" in the states. And they became high profile mainly due to the guidance they received from their club. If they want to hurl in the states then do it for the summer and let both inter county and clubs know from the outset. Not just abandon your club after spending all year with Waterford.

cul beag

mickotallow wrote: »

There's a lot of money floating around for a hobby. If these lads weren't high profile GAA players they wouldn't be offered big money to play and "work" in the states. And they became high profile mainly due to the guidance they received from their club. If they want to hurl in the states then do it for the summer and let both inter county and clubs know from the outset. Not just abandon your club after spending all year with Waterford.

Absolutely spot onðŸ‘

deiseach

Are there many fellas making big bucks out Stateside who have never played inter-county?

deisedude

mickotallow wrote: »

There's a lot of money floating around for a hobby. If these lads weren't high profile GAA players they wouldn't be offered big money to play and "work" in the states. And they became high profile mainly due to the guidance they received from their club. If they want to hurl in the states then do it for the summer and let both inter county and clubs know from the outset. Not just abandon your club after spending all year with Waterford.

I understand where you are coming from and it may be frustrating for a teammate but you are only young once. They should just go when they want. No issue with the likes of the Bennetts or Tom Devine opting out of intercounty either

Before you know it you end up in your thirties with work commitments and a family and its too late to go but at least you can rest easy knowing that you didnt let the lads down ago ten years ago when you played in that round robin club game :pac:

Gardner

deisedude wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from and it may be frustrating for a teammate but you are only young once. They should just go when they want. No issue with the likes of the Bennetts or Tom Devine opting out of intercounty either

Before you know it you end up in your thirties with work commitments and a family and its too late to go but at least you can rest easy knowing that you didnt let the lads down ago ten years ago when you played in that round robin club game :pac:

spot on. i lost 4 lads who headed state side this summer after they played championship for me in April. i wished them all the best and told them to enjoy themselves and have no regrets about it. i made the mistake of hanging around for summers waiting for games when i should have traveled.

PTH2009

Any actual news on the manager and discussion on with weekends SHC QFs ??

fowlerDgrowler

914 wrote: »

I think if anything the past two years has highlighted how the system we played failed us. We have a squad as good if not better at times than limerick and galway who both ended a 40+ and 20+ year wait respectively and yet we still wait.

Especially considering we won a league title in Derek's second year.

All talk of, this man are that is not the right man for the job as they do not have inter county senior experience is rubbish and today proved it.

You do realise that both Galway and limerick won with very similar systems to us but realistically had better forwards?

Mastermcgrath

deiseach wrote: »

Are there many fellas making big bucks out Stateside who have never played inter-county?

The majority of players going over are just ordinary club players. Inter county players are just a small fraction of the numbers actually going over every summer. Everyone that goes over is leaving their clubs in the lurch. Not just the county players.

Its pure laziness criticising the inter county lads just because they are well known.

deiseach

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

The majority of players going over are just ordinary club players. Inter county players are just a small fraction of the numbers actually going over every summer.

I didn't know that, much obliged for the reply.

KevIRL

Mattie Kenny the front runner

914

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

You do realise that both Galway and limerick won with very similar systems to us but realistically had better forwards?

Yes I am, but didn't use the sweeper to the extant that we did. Not once in this years AI final did I see one forward in the forward line, or Galway last year for that matter.

There were always at least two present, with a low drilled ball into the forwards as opposed to us aiming an aimless high ball into one forward.

Limerick had numbers up top to attack galway deferenders coming out with the bell where as we had one forward chasing three lads.

Anyway time to move on from the past, hoping we'll see a more attacking flare under new management.

Gardner

914 wrote: »

Yes I am, but didn't use the sweeper to the extant that we did. Not once in this years AI final did I see one forward in the forward line, or Galway last year for that matter.

There were always at least two present, with a low drilled ball into the forwards as opposed to us aiming an aimless high ball into one forward.

Limerick had numbers up top to attack galway deferenders coming out with the bell where as we had one forward chasing three lads.

Anyway time to move on from the past, hoping we'll see a more attacking flare under new management.

obviously you weren't at the game last week :rolleyes:

benji79

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

You do realise that both Galway and limerick won with very similar systems to us but realistically had better forwards?

Neither of them are anywhere like the way Waterford play. No comparison

Fred C Dobbs

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

You do realise that both Galway and limerick won with very similar systems to us but realistically had better forwards?

Actually, the Limerick fowards stood off, giving just enough time for the Galway keeper to strike the ball to one of his defenders but then a Limerick foward immediately harried the defender, forcing a rushed delivery or turnover (such as the one resulting in their third goal).

Contrast that with Waterford’s (hopefully now abandoned) ‘strategy’ of allowing defenders to waltz out and play an accurate ball up the field !

914

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

Actually, the Limerick fowards stood off, giving just enough time for the Galway keeper to strike the ball to one of his defenders but then a Limerick foward immediately harried the defender, forcing a rushed delivery or turnover (such as the one resulting in their third goal).

Contrast that with Waterford’s (hopefully now abandoned) ‘strategy’ of allowing defenders to waltz out and play an accurate ball up the field !

Spot on

914

Gardner wrote: »

obviously you weren't at the game last week :rolleyes:

No I wasn't there, not fortunate enough to get a ticket. I'm sure at times one forward was present but in an attacking sense forwards were far more present than we were use to seeing under derek.

benji79

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

Actually, the Limerick fowards stood off, giving just enough time for the Galway keeper to strike the ball to one of his defenders but then a Limerick foward immediately harried the defender, forcing a rushed delivery or turnover (such as the one resulting in their third goal).

Contrast that with Waterford’s (hopefully now abandoned) ‘strategy’ of allowing defenders to waltz out and play an accurate ball up the field !

Very accurate assessment of it. You simply couldn’t say Waterford play anything like limerick. Perhaps as you say on the initial puck outs but once the ball is pucked they’re no way similar

PTH2009

KevIRL wrote: »

Mattie Kenny the front runner

All speculation tbh and all sources seem the same

I'd be happy with his appointment and hope he has the squad playing as well as his double AI Club winning side Cuala. It's going to take time and it may not be til 2020 when we adapt to his style. He still has to take the job though and he might not be interested

It's going to be different, he might not be as edgy and cool as Derek McGrath

Mastermcgrath

KevIRL wrote: »

Mattie Kenny the front runner

I don’t know the ins and the outs but he is one of the few outstanding candidates out there at the moment. That Cuala outfit were an absolute machine for those 2 x all Ireland’s and he has intercounty experience on the sidelines with Galway. This would be an inspired appointment compared some of the other names being mentioned.

Deisegodeo

I would be very happy with Mattie Kenny being appointed, would need a good local appointment to go with him as I doubt he knows the Waterford scene inside out.

But he would be an impressive appointment if we can get him, proven winner with cuala, previous intercounty experience as selector with Galway. Outside man with no accusations of favouritism or local gaa politics.

We could do with a good news story and I'm hoping Kenny is appointed soon and we can begin building for next year

Stopitwillya

PTH2009 wrote: »

It's going to be different, he might not be as edgy and cool as Derek McGrath

????
Was Derek McGrath cool, whatever being cool means?